Talk:Gustav Laabs

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A fact from Gustav Laabs appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 12 October 2015 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that German SS-Hauptscharführer Gustav Laabs worked as a gas van operator at the Chełmno extermination camp in Wartheland?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2015/October. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Gustav Laabs.

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Requested tidy

BabbaQ, as you asked on my talk page, I've had a look at the article, mainly I have tidied grammar and phrasing. I want to emphasise to you that I am not an expert on ANYTHING, especially not Nazi Germany, I edit on a few 'Nazi' pages, mainly as a 'tidier', rather than historian. I've put a few ^{[clarification needed]} tags, and tried to explain why inside them. If I was fairly sure I knew what you meant, I made the change. I've added some links, one I was unsure about was Sonderkommando, so you may want to check that. The article is short, but largely clear. Is this by chance the same person/unit that features in Shoah, if so, it might be worth a mention. Good work from what I can see, but you might want the opinion of someone more experienced in this topic area. … … ps you dont have an info-box, though I'm not sure which you should have, and you don't have a date of death. Pincrete (talk) 21:09, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your input! I will look into what info-box to use.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:13, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I approve of the edits of Werldwayd, he picked up on many things I missed, but I'm not sure about the dates (April-May 1942), that's less than 50 days, which would suggest more than 2,000 gassings each day? Are the dates correct? Pincrete (talk) 21:43, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is the information I found. If someone else finds other info on the matter I hope they add it. Otherwise I will personally leave it at that for now. This was a mass "industry" of sorts of the time and I do not find it completely impossible.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:43, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps not impossible, though it suggests 40 'trips' a day. I wondered whether these might accidentally be 'start-of-the-operation' months. The Chelmno gas-wagons certainly feature in Shoah, though I don't know whether Laabs is the interviewee. Pincrete (talk) 17:06, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Off topic and NPOV lead

The present lead "Despite being convicted, Laabs was given the lenient sentence of 15 years (subsequently reduced to 13 years) by a regional court in Landgericht Bonn, Germany.[4] Far from being outliers, such instances of leniency, extended to perpetrators of genocide and crimes against humanity during trials in post-Nazi Germany, constituted the norm, as evidenced by the fact that most of the perpetrators of Nazi war crimes and the Final Solution were not brought to justice. Many former SS officers and Nazis, who were directly responsible for perpetrating genocide and murdering countless innocent people, were contracted to work for US and British intelligence agencies as part of the war against the USSR and Communism (also see Operation Paperclip for more on post-WWII Allied collaboration with Nazis).[5]

Which was inserted here seems wildly off-topic and non-neutral (who says the sentence was lenient? What is the relevance of many Nazis getting off 'scot-free' to Laabs?]. This is borderline WP:Coatrack IMO. Additionally, the subject is not explored/developed in the body of the article, which is a requirement for any lead content.

Posting here to 'test reaction'. Pincrete (talk) 19:24, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]