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Reference named "GBP":
- From Mahmud Khilji: James Macnabb Campbell, ed. (1896). "II. ÁHMEDÁBÁD KINGS. (A. D. 1403–1573.)". History of Gujarát. Gazetteer of the Bombay Presidency. Vol. Volume I. Part II. The Government Central Press. pp. 242–243.
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This article incorporates text from this source, which is in the public domain. - From Gurjaras of Lata: James Macnabb Campbell, ed. (1896). "I.THE GURJJARAS (A. D. 580–808.)". History of Gujarát. Gazetteer of the Bombay Presidency. Vol. Volume I. Part I. The Government Central Press. pp. 114–120.
{{cite book}}:|volume=has extra text (help) This article incorporates text from this source, which is in the public domain. - From Bahadur Shah of Gujarat: James Macnabb Campbell, ed. (1896). "II. ÁHMEDÁBÁD KINGS. (A. D. 1403–1573.)". History of Gujarát. Gazetteer of the Bombay Presidency. Vol. Volume I. Part II. The Government Central Press. pp. 254–257.
{{cite book}}:|volume=has extra text (help) This article incorporates text from this source, which is in the public domain. - From Mahmud Begada: James Macnabb Campbell, ed. (1896). "II. ÁHMEDÁBÁD KINGS. (A. D. 1403–1573.)". History of Gujarát. Gazetteer of the Bombay Presidency. Vol. Volume I. Part II. The Government Central Press. pp. 244–251.
{{cite book}}:|volume=has extra text (help) This article incorporates text from this source, which is in the public domain. - From Muzaffar Shah I: James Macnabb Campbell, ed. (1896). "II. ÁHMEDÁBÁD KINGS. (A. D. 1403–1573.)". History of Gujarát. Gazetteer of the Bombay Presidency. Vol. Volume I. Part II. The Government Central Press. pp. 235–236.
{{cite book}}:|volume=has extra text (help) This article incorporates text from this source, which is in the public domain. - From Maitraka: James Macnabb Campbell, ed. (1896). "I. THE CHÁVAḌÁS (A. D. 720–956.)". History of Gujarát. Gazetteer of the Bombay Presidency. Vol. Volume I. Part I. The Government Central Press. pp. 85–86.
{{cite book}}:|volume=has extra text (help) This article incorporates text from this source, which is in the public domain. - From Muhammad Shah II: James Macnabb Campbell, ed. (1896). "II. ÁHMEDÁBÁD KINGS. (A. D. 1403–1573.)". History of Gujarát. Gazetteer of the Bombay Presidency. Vol. Volume I. Part II. The Government Central Press. pp. 241–242.
{{cite book}}:|volume=has extra text (help) This article incorporates text from this source, which is in the public domain. - From Bhimgad Fort:
Bimgad Fort. Vol. 21. Bombay: Government Central Press. 1877. pp. 9, 552. Retrieved 2012-01-14.
{{cite book}}:|work=ignored (help) - From Ahmad Shah II: James Macnabb Campbell, ed. (1896). "II. ÁHMEDÁBÁD KINGS. (A. D. 1403–1573.)". History of Gujarát. Gazetteer of the Bombay Presidency. Vol. Volume I. Part II. The Government Central Press. pp. 242–244.
{{cite book}}:|volume=has extra text (help) This article incorporates text from this source, which is in the public domain. - From Muhammad Shah I: James Macnabb Campbell, ed. (1896). "II. ÁHMEDÁBÁD KINGS. (A. D. 1403–1573.)". History of Gujarát. Gazetteer of the Bombay Presidency. Vol. Volume I. Part II. The Government Central Press. p. 235.
{{cite book}}:|volume=has extra text (help) This article incorporates text from this source, which is in the public domain. - From Ahmad Shah I: James Macnabb Campbell, ed. (1896). "II. ÁHMEDÁBÁD KINGS. (A. D. 1403–1573.)". History of Gujarát. Gazetteer of the Bombay Presidency. Vol. Volume I. Part II. The Government Central Press. pp. 236–241.
{{cite book}}:|volume=has extra text (help) This article incorporates text from this source, which is in the public domain. - From Chavda dynasty: James Macnabb Campbell, ed. (1896). "I. THE CHÁVAḌÁS (A. D. 720–956.)". History of Gujarát. Gazetteer of the Bombay Presidency. Vol. Volume I. Part I. The Government Central Press. pp. 149–156.
{{cite book}}:|volume=has extra text (help) This article incorporates text from this source, which is in the public domain. - From Muzaffar Shah II: James Macnabb Campbell, ed. (1896). "II. ÁHMEDÁBÁD KINGS. (A. D. 1403–1573.)". History of Gujarát. Gazetteer of the Bombay Presidency. Vol. Volume I. Part II. The Government Central Press. pp. 251–254.
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Orphaned references in Gujarat Sultanate
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Reference named "majumdar":
- From Malwa Sultanate: Majumdar, R.C. (ed.) (2006). The Delhi Sultanate, Mumbai: Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan, pp.173-86
- From Mahmud Shah III of Gujarat: Majumdar, R.C. (ed.) (2007). The Mughul Empire, Mumbai: Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan, ISBN 81-7276-407-1, pp.391-8
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Origin
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The sultanate's origins lie with two Tanka Rajput brothers by the name of Saharan and Sadhu who were from Thanesar (now in Haryana).[1]
- An IP told that the family was not Tanka Rajput but Tank Khatri converts to Islam. Need to investigated before readding.-Nizil (talk) 07:04, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- The founder of the Gujarat Sultanate was a Tank Khatri convert to Islam, not Rajput. This is known from all the primary & secondary sources added by the IP 49.. Upon checking the book [2] on page number 183–185 - I find no mention of a Tank Rajput Muzaffar Shah I. However, the same book on page 120 says the sultanate was founded by a Tank Khatri.
- I verbatim quote, "though the Gujarati historian Sikandar
does narrate the story of their ancestors having once been Hindu ‘Tanks’, a branch of Khatris who traced their descent from the dynasty of Ramachandra, whom the Hindus worship as God" (Page 120)
- The primary source provided, the persian history of gujarat - the mirat-i-ahmadi on page 34 calls the founder of the sultanate a Tank Khatri too. Here is the link of the exact page number - https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.141998/page/n63/mode/2up
- I will be re-adding the sources and information posted by IP 49.. assuming there are no further objections to this post. Hope this is fine with Nizil- Abh9850 (talk) 10:16, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- I have re-added all the sources along with adding new ones such as [3] Page 46 of this book also states, "The founder of the sultanate of Gujarat , Zafar Khan , himself was a convert to Islam from a sect of Khatris known as Tanks" - I request all editors to see the sources if needed themselves. -Abh9850 (talk) 17:14, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Have not gotten any reply from Nizil on this issue. Meanwhile, I have added quotations from relevant pages of each source. Requesting editors to look at the sources and not make pre-emptive edit removals. Abh9850 (talk) 18:30, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Abh9850:, sorry, I had forgotten to reply. If academic sources says they were Tank Khatris, I am OK with it. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 05:07, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
- Have not gotten any reply from Nizil on this issue. Meanwhile, I have added quotations from relevant pages of each source. Requesting editors to look at the sources and not make pre-emptive edit removals. Abh9850 (talk) 18:30, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
- I have re-added all the sources along with adding new ones such as [3] Page 46 of this book also states, "The founder of the sultanate of Gujarat , Zafar Khan , himself was a convert to Islam from a sect of Khatris known as Tanks" - I request all editors to see the sources if needed themselves. -Abh9850 (talk) 17:14, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Can you stop vandalizing the page, HamirKalachuri? HamirKalachuri (talk). 10 sources have been cited and all of them refer to Sultan Muzaffar Shah as a Khatri by caste. A few of them have even been paraphrased by me above. Requesting experienced editors such as Sitush (talk) or LukeEmily (talk) to look into this repeated vandalism by anonymous IPs or recently created accounts.
Here all the sources with citations, page number wise.
1. Gunpower and Firearms: Warfare in Medieval India by Iqtidar Alam Khan – Page Number 57 says, Zafar Khan (entitled Muzaffar Shah) himself was a convert to Islam from a sub-caste of the Khatris known as Tank. Link to access the source: https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Gunpowder_and_Firearms/s4PfAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1
2. Misra, S. C. (Satish Chandra) (1963). The rise of Muslim power in Gujarat; a history of Gujarat from 1298 to 1442. Page Number 137 says, Zafar Khan was not a foreign muslim. He was a convert to Islam from a sect of the Khatris known as Tank
3. Wink, André (2003). Indo-Islamic society: 14th - 15th centuries. Page Number 143 says Similarly, Zaffar Khan Muzaffar, the first independent ruler of Gujarat was not a foreign muslim but a Khatri convert, of low subdivision called Tank
Link to access the source: https://books.google.co.in/books?id=nyYslywJUE8C&newbks=0&printsec=frontcover&pg=PA143&dq=muzaffar+khan+tank+khatri&hl=en&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=muzaffar%20khan%20tank%20khatri&f=false
4. Kapadia, Aparna (16 May 2018). Gujarat: The Long Fifteenth Century and the Making of a Region. Page Number 120 says Gujarati historian Sikandar does narrate the story of their ancestors having once been Hindu ‘Tanks’, a branch of Khatris who trace their descent from the dynasty of Ramachandra
5. Ahmedabad From Royal City to Megacity By Achyut Yagnik · 2011 says Muzaffar Shah belonged to the Tank branch of the Khatri community of Punjab.
Link to access the source: https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Ahmedabad/ivMAUx6Hdl8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=muzaffar+khan+tank+khatri&pg=PT22&printsec=frontcover
6. Historical Dictionary of Medieval India · 2008. Page number 107 says The founder of the Sultanate, Muzaffar Shah was a convert to Islam from a sect of the Hindu Khatris known as Tank.
link to access the source: https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Historical_Dictionary_of_Medieval_India/pzZFUcDpDzsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=muzaffar+khan+tank+khatri&pg=PA107&printsec=frontcover
Abh9850 (talk) 12:32, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
The other sources doesn't call him Punjabi khatri. Mirat i sikander calls him kshatriya in urdu version, the archive translated is sounding it like khatri, so no guarantee that it implies Punjabi khatri here a community which wasn't even found in Thanesar, Haryana in early medieval age. Had it been the case Satish Chandra would have mentioned him khatri, he doesn't calls him as such.
Source1: The Cambridge History of India: Turks and Afghans, edited by W Haig, year 1965 by Edward James Rapson, Sir Wolseley Haig, Sir Richard Burn, Page : 294
Description: The new governor was the son of a Rajput convert to Islam , Wajih - ul Mulk of Didwāna , governor of Nāgaur
Source 2: Journal of Oriental Studies, Volume 39, 1989 Page 120
Calls: Wajih- al - Mulk was , by birth a Hindu Rajput of " Tanka "
Source 3: Kapadia, Aparna (16 May 2018). Gujarat: The Long Fifteenth Century and the Making of a Region. Page Number 8
Description: " non-Muslim Tank Rajputs from Thanesar in northwestern India (modern-day)"
Source 4: Confluence of Cultures: Hindu, Muslim, Buddhists & Jain mosque and Mausoleum by Syed Anwer Abbas in 2021. Description: Saharan of Rajput Tanka tribe from Thanesar Taluka, Sirhind Division married his sister to Firuz Shah Tughlaq, who bestowed wajih-ul-mulk on his brother-in-law Saharan. Zafar Khan, son of Wajih-ul Mulk who was initially appointed Governor
Source 5: History of Gujarat Kingdom 1458-1537, page 4, author J Chaube, 1975
"Now Muhammad Shah appointed Zafar Khan son of Wajih - ul - Mulk , a Rajput convert"
Source 6: Journal of Indian History, volume 26-27, page 240, from 1949
It is generally accepted that Wajih - ul Mulk was a Tānk Rājpūt convert to Islam . Babar testifies to his Rajput origin in his memoirs.
Source 7: a Punjabi khatri writer Satish Chandra is itself admitting in Medieval India ( From Sultanat to the Mughals), PART ONE Delhi Sultanat ( 1206-1526) page 218, by Satish Chandra, 2004
" Zafar Khan whose father , Sadharan , was a Rajput who was converted to Islam"
Source 8: Concise History of Islam, Page 271, year 2011 by Muzaffar Husain Syed, Syed Saud Akhtar, BD Usmani
The Gujarat Sultanate was an independent kingdom established in the early 15th century in Gujarat. The founder of the ruling Muzaffarid dynasty, Zafar Khan a convert from Rajput"
Source 9: History of Medieval India, 2007, page 245, writer: VD Mahajan
"Zafar Khan, who was the son of Rajput convert, was appointed Governor of Gujarat in 1391 by Muhammad Shah, the youngest son of Firuz Tughluq."
Source 10: The Muslim Diaspora - A comprehensive reference to the spread of Islam in Asia, Africa, Europe and the America, 570 - 1799, writer : Everett Jenkins, Jr, page 275, year 2010
Source 11: The Stepwells of Gujarat: In Art- Historical perspective, page 62, year : 1981 writer : Jutta, Jain-Neubauer
Description: He was appointed governor of Gujarat by Nasir - ud - din Muhammed Tughlak II ... Zafar Khan was believed to belong to the Tank group of Rajputs
Source 12: The legacy of Muslim Rule in India, Page 233. Year 1992 by Kishori Lal Saran Description: "son of wajih-ul-mulk a converted Rajput founded Kingdom of Gujarat"
Source 13: Mohammadan Dyn: Orientalism V 2 - volume 2, page -312 , writer Stanley Lane-Pool Description: "Zafar Khan the son of converted Rajput"
Lastly, Tank is a prominent Rajput clan found in West UP, Haryana & Nagaur. You may even read colonial ethnographers. https://books.google.co.in/books?id=p- HamirKalchuri (talk) 16:41, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ Aparna Kapadia (16 May 2018). Gujarat: The Long Fifteenth Century and the Making of a Region. Cambridge University Press. pp. 183–185. ISBN 978-1-107-15331-8.
- ^ Aparna Kapadia (16 May 2018). Gujarat: The Long Fifteenth Century and the Making of a Region. Cambridge University Press.
- ^ https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/The_State_and_Society_in_Medieval_India/LKkBJyKdoZ8C?hl=en
Origin of Muzaffarids & who are Tanks?
[edit]The other sources doesn't call him Punjabi khatri. Mirat i sikander calls him kshatriya in urdu version, the archive translated is sounding it like khatri, so no guarantee that it implies Punjabi khatri here a community which wasn't even found in Thanesar, Haryana in early medieval age. Had it been the case Satish Chandra would have mentioned him khatri, he doesn't calls him as such.
Source1: The Cambridge History of India: Turks and Afghans, edited by W Haig, year 1965 by Edward James Rapson, Sir Wolseley Haig, Sir Richard Burn, Page : 294
Description: The new governor was the son of a Rajput convert to Islam , Wajih - ul Mulk of Didwāna , governor of Nāgaur
Source 2: Journal of Oriental Studies, Volume 39, 1989 Page 120
Calls: Wajih- al - Mulk was , by birth a Hindu Rajput of " Tanka "
Source 3: Kapadia, Aparna (16 May 2018). Gujarat: The Long Fifteenth Century and the Making of a Region. Page Number 8
Description: " non-Muslim Tank Rajputs from Thanesar in northwestern India (modern-day)"
Source 4: Confluence of Cultures: Hindu, Muslim, Buddhists & Jain mosque and Mausoleum by Syed Anwer Abbas in 2021. Description: Saharan of Rajput Tanka tribe from Thanesar Taluka, Sirhind Division married his sister to Firuz Shah Tughlaq, who bestowed wajih-ul-mulk on his brother-in-law Saharan. Zafar Khan, son of Wajih-ul Mulk who was initially appointed Governor
Source 5: History of Gujarat Kingdom 1458-1537, page 4, author J Chaube, 1975
"Now Muhammad Shah appointed Zafar Khan son of Wajih - ul - Mulk , a Rajput convert"
Source 6: Journal of Indian History, volume 26-27, page 240, from 1949
It is generally accepted that Wajih - ul Mulk was a Tānk Rājpūt convert to Islam . Babar testifies to his Rajput origin in his memoirs.
Source 7: a Punjabi khatri writer Satish Chandra is itself admitting in Medieval India ( From Sultanat to the Mughals), PART ONE Delhi Sultanat ( 1206-1526) page 218, by Satish Chandra, 2004
" Zafar Khan whose father , Sadharan , was a Rajput who was converted to Islam"
Source 8: Concise History of Islam, Page 271, year 2011 by Muzaffar Husain Syed, Syed Saud Akhtar, BD Usmani
The Gujarat Sultanate was an independent kingdom established in the early 15th century in Gujarat. The founder of the ruling Muzaffarid dynasty, Zafar Khan a convert from Rajput"
Source 9: History of Medieval India, 2007, page 245, writer: VD Mahajan
"Zafar Khan, who was the son of Rajput convert, was appointed Governor of Gujarat in 1391 by Muhammad Shah, the youngest son of Firuz Tughluq."
Source 10: The Muslim Diaspora - A comprehensive reference to the spread of Islam in Asia, Africa, Europe and the America, 570 - 1799, writer : Everett Jenkins, Jr, page 275, year 2010
Source 11: The Stepwells of Gujarat: In Art- Historical perspective, page 62, year : 1981 writer : Jutta, Jain-Neubauer
Description: He was appointed governor of Gujarat by Nasir - ud - din Muhammed Tughlak II ... Zafar Khan was believed to belong to the Tank group of Rajputs
Source 12: The legacy of Muslim Rule in India, Page 233. Year 1992 by Kishori Lal Saran
Description: "son of wajih-ul-mulk a converted Rajput founded Kingdom of Gujarat"
Source 13: Mohammadan Dyn: Orientalism V 2 - volume 2, page -312 , writer Stanley Lane-Pool Description: "Zafar Khan the son of converted Rajput"
Lastly, Tank is a prominent Rajput clan found in West UP, Haryana & Nagaur. You may even read colonial ethnographers. https://books.google.co.in/books?id=p-lAAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA109&dq=tank+rajput+elliot&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiz2Jjd0NHyAhXP4mEKHY3dBkcQ6AF6BAgDEAM#v=onepage&q=tank%20rajput%20elliot&f=false HamirKalchuri (talk) 16:38, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Origin of muzaffarids
[edit]Gujarat sultanate was ruled by rajputs originally because if rajputs didn't support khatris .sultan mehmood begada get support of most of rajput cheifs of gujarat it's says that Gujarat sultanate was ruled by Muslim rajputs NATION01567 (talk) 17:40, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
War Criminal: Ottoman Turks
[edit]Gujarat Sultanate allowed war criminals society and empire like the "Ottoman Caliphate" to enter India.
Ottoman Turk arriving in India was as bad omen as the "British Raj".
India made some serious mistakes in its antiquity.
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Reliability of sources
[edit]@Noorullah21 the first source mentions that author is a lawyer by profession, and hence is not a WP:RS. The second source is not peer-reviewed. That of Abraham Eraly is better than either of the two, but he doesn't call Bahadur Shah an Afghan, and cannot be treated as authority for his ethnicity as Eraly is not discussing the origins of the dynasty. Such assumption about Bahadur Shah at best is a WP:FRINGE given that no source suggests that his ancestor, Muzaffar Shah I was an Afghan. Sutyarashi (talk) 19:46, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Sutyarashi Ok, all good. Noorullah (talk) 20:02, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
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