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Archive 1

Culture : bad link

in section Culture :

"main article : Culture of Guinea"

is a redirect to Guinea. Should some of the culture have been lost? — MFH:Talk 01:10, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't think we've lost anything we used to have - Culture of Guinea has only ever been a redirect. It certainly shouldn't be, though. It just makes us look like we have an article that we should have but don't. I'll list it for deletion. Once I work out where to do that... --Cherry blossom tree 10:42, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Language

I know Guinea so that there are a lot of languages. The most important was in Conakry the language "soussou". The old president S. Touré and his entourage did prefer of course his own language "malinké", a variante of the big language family "bambara".

--oui 20:39, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I just did some work on Susu language (aka Soussou) and some other aspects. There needs to be more work on the languages aspect, still... --A12n 18:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Guinea cames from a berber word meaning "mute" and not "black" acc. to Enc. of Islam II "Guinea" Ybgursey 00:37, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

Cleanup

I have done some cleaning of the article, but it did not need much. Only the introduction was quite clumsy. Is there anything more that needs to be cleaned up? This is separate from the need to add to some sections. -Pgan002 08:26, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

History

There's a photo of a "Monument to commemorate the 1970 military victory over the Portuguese invasion". Since I don't really know about Guinean history, I wanted only to ask if this picture belongs actually to this article or not because, did the Portuguese invade this Guinea, or Portuguese Guinea, Guinea-Bissau? Guinea was before French Guinea. Where is that monument?

The moment is in Conakry. Guinea-Conkary actively supported the national liberation struggle of Guinea-Bissau. In an attempt to quell the support to the Guinea-Bissau rebels the Portuguese invaded Guinea, but were speedily rebuffed. --Soman 11:40, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[Edit conflict] It was undertaken (for the reasons stated above) by about 400 Portuguese troops, mostly consisting of Guinean exiles. El_C 11:54, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Coat of arms

Please, someone replace the 1984 coat of arms with the new one. The new coa doesn't include the arms, symbolizing peace.--85.74.76.51 16:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

History

The image shows a memorial for victory over Portugal in 1970's when they invaded. And where is this in the History section? Usually, if they build a memorial, its because they're proud of it. So I recommend that someone add this in.Tourskin 23:35, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh I see someone else has raised the issue.Tourskin 23:35, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Religion

Ideally the demographics section of this article would have a breakdown of Guinean's religious adherence (what proportion are Christians, Muslims, other faiths) and (if relevant) whatever ethnic or geographic variances there are in religion (one region or one ethnic group being one religion, another group another). -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 02:10, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Banners

Removed in accordance with directive WP:IAR. Reasoning: Administration tasks should not be allowed to get in the way of the real information (which is what an encyclopedia should really be about) Banners on top drastically reduce the relevance of the top of the Article. I need much longer to find the disambiguation line. --194.138.39.141 (talk) 11:34, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Guinea

The following is deleted:

According to a legend, the country got its name from the Sosso word "Guinee". History explains that when the French first arrived to the country, they noticed some women at the river washing clothes. They then approached these women and asked them the 'name' of their country, but the women did not understand the question and they feared for their lives. So in response they said "guinee nai mora", which means "we are women" in their language. The French then assumed that they said the name of the country was "Guinee." And this is how the country got its name.

No evidence is provided for this claim, and it is prima facie untrue, given that the name "Guinea" long pre-dates the French colonization of the region. Other sources consistently relate "Guinea" to the name of the Ghana Empire, on the upper Niger, already known (by hearsay) to Europeans as the source of trans-Saharan gold traffic.RandomCritic (talk) 19:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Urban populations

Someone has removed the population of various cities, saying the numbers are "vastly wrong." However, no source for this opinion. We need the correct data.Fconaway (talk) 07:15, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Guinea

Could you guys post more info on Guinea? I love your web site, but you shouldn't have 10 pages of Samus Aran (thanks for the info on that), and 4 on Guinea. Maybe you could put more culture on there, and sports.

Yeah, you're right, articles such as this one are under-represented on Wikipedia. People tend to write on what they know and are interested in and most of the people who edit Wikipedia are more interested in Samus Aran than Guinea. See WP:CSB for more on this. There is more information on Guinea in the various sub-pages, if you hadn't seen them. History of Guinea, Geography of Guinea, Economy of Guinea and so on.--Cherry blossom tree 22:45, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I am doing a huge report on Guinea- yet I dont have any information on it. I am leaving on a trip to help with the Katrina mess, tomorrow (3/16), and I am not allowed to bring homework on it. Please- I really need to get this done wow. i'm doing a project of Guinea too. amazing!

Could I echo this request for expansion, after reviewing for Version 0.5? Guinea seems very sparse compared to some other countries such as Eritrea. Thanks, Walkerma 05:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

You can echo, send smoke signals, pound drums, whatever. So long as Wikipedia imposes their version of verification, you won't find data to support sufficiently. Those of us who have lived in Guinea aren't considered authoritative sources unless our observations are published in independent sources. Blame that for the slant and lack. --JT (talk) 14:18, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Politics

I find the following wording a bit problematic "under Ahmed Sékou Touré the country went into political and economic isolation as a consequence of the withdrawl of french assistance, this lasted untill economic nessecity called for an opening of the economy in 1978". Guinea was not politically isolated from 1958 onwards. On the contrary the country was a leading political force in African politics in the late 1950s/early 1960s, and played a crucial role in the founding of the OAU. Relations with the West declined, but were substituted with political and economical relations with the Socialist Bloc and the 3rd world. The 'isolation' did occur at a later stage, after break also with the Soviet Union. Also, the term 'necessity' is highly simplistic to describe the situation of the country in the late 1970s. --Soman 12:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

In fact, much of this article presents neoliberal depredation in de facto neo-colonies like Guinea in the recent period, as 'common sense' and the natural, preferred course of things... However, since all of Wikipedia has a neoliberal bias in general AFAIC, I'll only note that here, presently. NPOV is an issue with this article -- as with most all political-economic Wikipedia articles.

Pazouzou (talk) 13:36, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Current Event

There are riots going on in Guinea and this article lacks sufficient writing on it. Perhaps they deserve their own article?--Thomas.macmillan 21:22, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Correction request to 'In the News' blurb pointing to this article. The blurb states that 59 people have been killed in

"violent clashes between police and demonstrators" however, it is clear from any cursory reading of the news that human rights advocates have been saying 60 people were killed by security forces during the strike, and a figure of 59 dead (more than half of them shot in one incident) has been confirmed by the Minister of Health, as reported in this Reuters article. Therefore, the blurb on this subject is reprehensibly inaccurate and should be changed. http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/IRIN/abd23075b5b6851f62247e3db4d1416a.htm

the new york times reported tuesday oct. 6 2009 that many women were humiliated, raped, beaten or killed during the government military action to suppress political protests in conakry. many cell phone camera photos of the criminal acts have been provided as documentation. Macevoy (talk) 06:04, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Revisions December 2009

This article should be only an overview of the subject. The article has too many details that belong in other articles. I revised the section HISTORY OF GUINEA to remove the surfeit of details. Details concerning the juntas should be in the articles about the juntas or about their leaders. For example, see Politics of Guinea, Moussa Dadis Camara, and Komara government. I have moved some details about the Conté regime to Lansana Conté. I removed the theorizing about how the government should function because (1) the present (2009) junta has suspended Guinea's constitution and institutions, and (2) details about how the government might function are provided in the article Politics of Guinea. PYRRHON talk 18:14, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Someone want to tell me why the sentence suggests that Conte was unable to bring the country back up in some 24 years, when the fact is that he was selling its natural resources by the boatload and pocketing all of the money? JT (talk) 00:00, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Gn redirect

I've redirected Gn from here to GN - there are lots of other meaning of those two letters, and people often don't search in upper case. 81.142.107.230 (talk) 17:06, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism

There are several sentences (one starting the second paragraph of the lead in) which reference "curry eating" and "curry" and are clearly vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.35.115 (talk) 20:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Economy section and tag

Hi

The article has a link in the "Economy of" section which points to a "main article: Economy of Guinea."

That article Economy of Guinea seems to have a lot less information than the Guinea article has.

It would probably be better to move a lot of that to the Economy of Guinea and leave a brief summary in the Guinea article.

Chaosdruid (talk) 18:11, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

English, French & native names

I changed references to "Peul" to "Fula," and in the first instance offered clarification as to the French and Fula/Pular words for same (i.e., Peul & Fulɓe), using lang-xx templates. Similar efforts could be made for Maninka/Malinke, Soso/Susu/Soussou, etc.--A12n (talk) 15:48, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Ethnicity breakdown

It adds up to more than 100%. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.28.116 (talk) 18:38, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Bauxite AND aluminium?

i don't think so tim--Mongreilf (talk) 20:01, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Fixed some time ago --MichiHenning (talk) 05:00, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Table of largest cities and regions

That table appears largely useless in its two-column form because all the regions have the same name as their largest city, so the columns show the same information, except for Camayenne. I think it would make more sense to simplify the table. Remove the redundant column and either combine the numbers for Camayenne or Conakry, or put a remark with the breakdown into a single column. --MichiHenning (talk) 05:00, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Ahmed Sékou Touré reign

A new name for the section was added, since the reign of Ahmed Sékou Touré had nothing to do with so called "Marxism-Leninism" from a historical point of view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.195.242.251 (talk) 07:31, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Misleading sentence in intro

The introduction says:

"It encompasses the water source of the Niger, Senegal, and Gambia rivers."

This sentence is ambiguous or misleading. Why is it a "water source" as opposed to "source"? Do these three rivers have the same source? If not, then the sentence should be

"It includes the sources of the Niger, Senegal and Gambia rivers."

Unfortunately, I do not know geography enough to fix this. -Pgan002 07:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not so sure that's even an accurate statement. The Niger river goes all the way up into Mali, which is to the north of the east-most points of Guinea. Perhaps they only meant to say that all 3 rivers occur in the country?

Trying to describe a place in such fashion is extremely unwieldy. I'd almost rather pen a map and give it to public domain... In fact, I'll probably do exactly that. Give me a day or so. --JT 08:35, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay,the ONLY one of these three that is ANYWHERE in Guinea is the Niger. I'm changing the text to reflect that. --JT (talk) 14:09, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

The sources of all three are in fact located in Guinea. Updated article with references.--Beahiver (talk) 19:48, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Rusal.

I'm appalled that the word "Rusal" features 0 times in this article. СЛУЖБА (talk) 22:11, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

It is of my opinion that the country is wrongly painted in black by most of these articles. I came to even wonder if it is the same country i'm living in or another one. I think the section "recent history" only talks about the negative facts and nothing about the improvements since the fist fair election namely the cancelation of debts, the army reform, the relativ improvement security, the agricultural developement, the low inflation rate, the nomination of the minister of economy as "best minister of economy in Africa", the electrification projects, the coming of many international company... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.149.194.102 (talk) 09:29, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

History section begins with weird non sequitur

The History section begins "In a coup d'état several hours following Touré's death", but no such person has yet been mentioned in the article. Whoever leader that was, clearly the history section has to cover how HE got into power, and so on. My guess is someone for POV-pushing reasons, deleted a large swath of the History section, so someone probably needs to figure it out and revert the vandalism. AReaderOutThataway (talk) 09:36, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

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Government and Politics

Unlike pretty much every countries wiki page Guinea is lacking a Government and/or Politics section and after looking it appears it was removed for no apparent reason in 2009. I'd re-add one, however I'm not realy up on Guinean politics to know about any changes over the last five years. In short Guinea needs a Government/Politics section added. -IkonicDeath (talk) 5:28 PM, February 2nd, 2014 (PST)

I migrated back some and re-created the section in June, 2014. Feel free to do some non-wiki research and get some better information. As of now there's no judiciary section but there is legislative, executive and military so it's an ok start.Monopoly31121993 (talk) 15:11, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Lots of Changes

The article was missing a lot of references and there were also a lot of unnecessary sub-sections. I tightened as much as I could and the article is not too long as it is right now. The problem is really quality over quantity and there just isn't a lot of work that has gone into making the history and government/politics sections well referenced, well written and accurate so that's one major task to do. Second, the economics section is way too long and includes all this stuff about scandals and reforms. I huge chunk of the reforms was just cut and pasted from a U.S. government report so that's clearly not ok to have on Wikipedia as is but it would be ok to include if someone read it and then re-wrote it or at least the main points. I'll try to add as much as I can in the next week or so but help would certainly be appreciated.Monopoly31121993 (talk) 15:16, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

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Guinea Etymology

Portuguese etymology for "Guinea" is also questionable. Especially when there are no sources or references to support such a conjecture. And even on this talk page, is 'Hearsaypedia' really a reliable academic source? A more balanced presentation would show both the Berber and Portuguese conjectures and state that neither are definitive. Otherwise this is another example of implicit bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:371B:A400:FC63:1E87:19D4:93C1 (talk) 15:36, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

What is the source for the conjecture that the word originates in a Berber language? OED says origin unkown...

From the Hearsaypedia: Two of the possible origins are: (1) Jenne (Djenné), which European Explorers heard along the coast as the origin of gold they encountered; (2) an incident where European explorers landed and encountered women doing the wash or something, and when they asked what is this place, the women, not understanding (you know, the proverbial language barrier), responded that they were only women (or one of them said I am just a woman) - go speak to the men. The phrase the woman/women used was heard as simething like Guinea. Take your pick, though I usually heard a version of the latter when in Guinea. If true that exhasperated wonan's response led to the naming of a lot of countries and geography worldwide.--A12n 18:15, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

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Possible exageration- more citations please.

The Washington Post needs to sell newspapers, perhaps it took its information from Guineans who were there at the time. It sounds like anecdotal information and is probably exageration. If it's true, then the reader needs to be sure. Therefore, more citations are needed.

"In response to the vote for independence, the French settlers in Guinea were quite dramatic in severing ties with Guinea. The Washington Post observes how brutal the French were in tearing down all what they thought was their contributions to Guinea: "In reaction, and as a warning to other French-speaking territories, the French pulled out of Guinea over a two-month period, taking everything they could with them. They unscrewed lightbulbs, removed plans for sewage pipelines in Conakry, the capital, and even burned medicines rather than leave them for the Guineans."" Francis Hannaway (talk) 14:13, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Infobox is messed up

At some point, someone messed with the infobox, esp. the section on ethnic groups which is currently incorrect. However, I'm not sure what the correct numbers should be based on the source. It's unclear which version to revert back to. Hopefully someone else knows. Procyonidae (talk) 02:52, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

The numbers have changed again, and I came here to report a similar problem. Cited sources don't seem to support either version, but I don't know the correct position either. Certes (talk) 17:56, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Map outdated

Updates need to made of the map in the infobox. South Sudan and Eritrea need to be on the map. This isn't the 1990's anymore. --HyettsTheGamer2 (talk) 01:29, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion for section on science and technology

Hi, just a suggestion, many country articles have sections or subsections for 'science and technology', this could be a section on this article as well. The country profiles in the UNESCO Science Report may be a good place to start and can copied from directly using these instructions.

Thanks John Cummings (talk) 14:46, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Rio Nuñez incident

Does the Rio Nuñez incident belong in the Independence timeline? It predates, by a long measure of time, the independence from France in 1958.

Also the Rio Nuñez incident is in the incorrect chronological order, however, before it's moved, does it belong in the infobox?

Textualism (talk) 13:12, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

No. The only thing that really belongs in the infobox is independence from France, it's the only item that actually established sovereignty. Two of the other entries are even the exact same event. CMD (talk) 13:44, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

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