Talk:Groszek

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"This article meets criteria A and B because..." Deletion...

"This article meets criteria A and B because... it is a well known "symbol group" in Poland a similarly how CBA (food retail) whose article has very little information, Groszek is seen in nearly every town; and as the information added on the article shows, it has ~7500 employees with 1250 members around Poland. If this article will be deleted, the following articles should also follow the same path: Franprix, Carrefour City, Marché Plus, Bargain Booze (has nearly twice as less members); Best-One, Centra (also requires clean-up); Costcutter... Please look at the shop chains in the Convenience stores in Europe template in which there are other articles which should accordingly to what this article is marked as, - be deleted. Thank you. Arbustum (talk) 11:20, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As noted in the article, the "symbol group" received a Hermes Award.

Arbustum (talk) 11:31, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Arbustum: First, thank you for replying. Second, please note that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is an invalid argument (it only means we may need to consider those other articles for deletion). Third, per WP:NCOMPANY, company's size or our perceived visibility of it are not relevant. What matters are things such as whether this company has received in-depth (i.e. not passing) coverage in independent, reliable sources. And I don't see such sources. I looked on the Polish web, but [1] only shows some features in trade portal DlaHandlu.pl, which I don't consider reliable. What would be needed would be some coverage from mainstream media. I found such coverage for Małpka Express for example (from Gazeta Wyborcza and Gazeta Krakowska). That's why I am fine with that other article, but for this one I am afraid the company just doesn't have enough impact to be in an encyclopedia. Again, please note that encyclopedia is not Yellow Pages, and not all "medium businesses" are encyclopedic (see also WP:GNG). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:56, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for listing the other articles down, however I have now added three new sources Portal Spożywczy, Gazeta Wyborcza Biznes and another article from Gazeta Wyborcza, hopefully these help, especially the second one which includes the Grupa Eurocash. Thank you. Arbustum (talk) 08:49, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Arbustum: First, let me say I appreciate your efforts to find sources. However, while GW is a reliable source, it mentions Groszek only in passing. And I don't consider PS, which is a trade journal at best (and for all I know can publish promotional, PR content) as a good source. The Grupa Eurocash/Eurocash Group may be notable, and we could consider merging entries on its not-so-notable subsidiaries there. I hate to tear apart your good work, but in the end, not all medium companies are notable, and we have to consider that before this project becomes a vehicle for promotion of any and all business ventures. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:59, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'll ping User:Staszek Lem for a 3O: AfD or not? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:58, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say it is marginally notable. At the same time I agree that a better solution would be to create the article Eurocash Group (pl:Eurocash), which has at least a dozen of such franchises. As for sources, there are a number articles such as like this one telling a typical story of a small store in a small locality: personal familiarity of shoppers and sellers; average purchase of 30 Zl, etc. plus typical advantages of a franchise. Staszek Lem (talk) 18:00, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]