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References to use

Please add to the list references that can be used for the film article.

Henry, Elizabeth (2010). "The Screaming Silence: Constructions of Nature in Werner Herzog's Grizzly Man". In Willoquet-Maricondi, Paula (ed.). Framing the World: Explorations in Ecocriticism and Film. Under the Sign of Nature. University of Virginia Press. ISBN 0813930057.

As part of an article evaluation activity I found many broken links (at least 4) in references, worth a review. I haven't yet done this.Shackpoet (talk) 20:56, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if the synopsis section could benefit from some citations, though I'm unclear on how best to accomplish this. If the synopsis is an attempt to summarize the content or commentary presented in the film it feels that one would need to cite the script or transcript of the documentary itself. One example, I believe some external sources could be used to validate this sentence, "Park rangers noted that there had never been a recorded incident of poaching at Katmai National Park." A quick search didn't identify any reports from park channels for this info but here's a potentially relevant document, Bear-Human Conflict Management Plan, Katmai National Park. Timothy Treadwell's page includes some information on his conflicts with the US Park Service. Shackpoet (talk) 20:56, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Article could benefit from some additional academic references now that enough time has passed for adequate critical discourse and study. Here are some results for ebooks and journal articles on the film [results via Google Scholar]Shackpoet (talk) 20:55, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Great performances

It is amazing that the reality of the actors and actresses of this movie which are bears' performances deserve an academy award except the director.

??? - Kevingarcia 07:06, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, what does this mean? --Jdn63 (talk) 23:04, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Controversies

The article mentions "controversies such as claims of fictitious interviews". Does anyone have any information on this? The Singing Badger 23:43, 19 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just watched the 30 minute special last night. There are no claims of :fictitious interviews: discussed in the special. I've removed the phrase. -- MisterHand 14:27, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Would this page be an appropriate place to discuss Tredwell's likely insanity? He had an unrealistic view, a fairy-tale "Disneyesque" view of wild animals, and he got killed for his lack of rational behavior. Medically he shows signs of documentable mental illness, and the hero worship of him may only entice others into the fate he suffered. Pabobfin (talk) 15:54, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Editing for POV content

"There is an another tragedy in this film that is seldom discussed. The bears suspected of killing Treadwell and his girlfriend were ultimately exterminated. Fear of man is the only thing keeping these wild animals from extinction. Treadwell made it his career to help bears to overcome this fear. It this the legacy of a man who selflessly gave his life to the study of wild creatures, or is it the legacy of a man who selfishly inserted his own life into their world, only to lead to their destruction?"

This is rather blatantly the biased opinion of a contributor, rather than supportable fact. As a matter of fact, the entire article could use a real solid editing.

I'm removing this paragraph.

Furthermore, even though this is no longer relevant since it's already been removed, but just in case someone feels like putting it back: The "Bears suspected of killing Treadwell and his girlfriend..." bit is just wrong. To the best of my knowledge, they only killed one bear, not several, and that particular bear was found near the campsite AND they hauled Treadwell's and his girlfriend's remains out of said bear's stomach, so it's not as if the bear was just "suspected" of eating them, it was confirmed. (I suppose it's theoretically possible that some other bear killed them and then this poor patsy bear came along and ate them and paid the price at the hands of the evil humans, but c'mon.) -- Captain Disdain 03:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ultimately, public awareness is about all that Treadwell was capable of contributing. His lack of scientific training and discipline is evident throughout his footage. Criticism abounded that his films lacked any scientific depth or merit. Treadwell continued to disregard such comments, and instead produced films that contained more tittilation than genuine scientific content.

Again, nothing other than opinion and speculation (no sources quoted for any supposed facts, such as widespread criticism of the film's scientific merit). I'm taking this out.

real or fake?

I am just wondering why this page does not reflect the theory that Herzog has faked this movie? I have never found actual proof of this, but I have found sources that have this point of view. Herzog's work often blurs the line between fake and real, and there were several indicators during the movie (such as seemingly fake testimonial interviews) to at least warrant a mention, even if the mention is that the theory is out there. Without mentioning this, the article is far from comprehensive.

Here is a link to one article that explains things pretty well.

http://www.wweek.com/editorial/3140/6609/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.163.232.99 (talk) 20:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

If we do, it should only be a brief mention, as this is one of the dafter conspiracy theories. Treadwell was a real person, and his death was announced on TV and in newspapers years before Herzog's film was made (e.g. see here). The coroner is definitely creepy and weird, but that doesn't mean he's fake, and he [www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1538469/posts is a real person too]. If 'Timothy' was an actor, Herzog would have had to engage in about a decade of media manipulation beforehand to convince the world TT was real; and if Timothy is real but still alive, where is Herzog hiding him? Cop 633 01:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Without ending up in a debate about how plausible the theory could be, I agree that it should only be a brief mention, like I said, even a mention of the fact that the theory exists.

Go for it. :) Cop 633 14:52, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree. Unless it has any grounds, this is no place of speculations. SSPecter ^talk ♠ _{15:27, 11 April 2007 (UTC)}.

I believe that if the sources suggesting the film to be faked are legit then it is worth a mention. However, as mentioned, Treadwell was a real person and to have faked the entirety of events shown in the film and get away with it would be nearly impossible. I do agree that some of the interviewees seem like actors, especially the coronor and Treadwell's friend who had ownership of the tape of his and the girl's deaths. --Bentonia School 08:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wasn't this entire "researcher eaten by bears on camera" theme explored in some Quentin Tarintino movie or something similar many years back? 86.156.196.122 (talk) 02:34, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What about the camera?

Does anybody happen to know what brand and type of camera Timothy Treadwell was using? Fortinbras 19:51, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Skewed background info

In 2003, at the end of his thirteenth visit, he and his "girlfriend," (it is disputed that she was his girlfriend however this needs verification) Amie Huguenard, who was deathly afraid of bears and was lured on the trip under false pretenses (that she could leave when she wanted) were attacked, killed and eaten by a bear.

Has anyone else heard about this? Seems a little skewed, not to mention unsourced. 68.92.39.170 09:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like nonsense. In the film, it's stated by several people that she was his girlfriend. And it's stated that she'd been to the park with Treadwell twice before the fatal trip. I'll remove this passage as its unsourced. Cop 663 11:27, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Appropriateness of including Charlie Russell's critique

Regarding this, I thought that mentioning Charlie Russell's view is quite appropriate in this situation because he is one of the very few people who can be said to speak for the occupation that Timothy Treadwell was pursuing. He and Treadwell knew each other and traded notes about their respective yearly adventures. He has also been the subject of his own documentary recently, called "Edge of Eden". I think that his misspelling of certain words is quite beside the point. I can agree the argument for quoting a smaller part of what Russell says, but I think that his views are more relevant than those of most of the film critics quoted. Esn (talk) 01:58, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since nobody has replied to this post in half a year, I think it is appropriate to add a quote from Charlie Russell back in. Aside from being in a unique position to talk with some authority about this, he also presents a viewpoint which is not mentioned by the other sources on this page. Esn (talk) 05:08, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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couple of questions

What did he eat while out there in the wilderness for months? He seemed to not want to hurt any animals. Also how did he film so much -- did he bring with him a hundred camera batteries? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.99.28.223 (talk) 21:06, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The film shows Treadwell being delivered to his campsite by floatplane together with several tons of supplies, including food that he buried near the tent in plastic drums. He also had an 'illegal' electric generator (for which he received a cite from the Park's service) to recharge his video batteries. However, such mention is unneeded in the article on the film. 21st CENTURY GREENSTUFF 00:22, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Girlfriend"

Why is there no explanation as to why any mention of Treadmill's "girlfriend(s)" is in quotation? 65.68.204.230 (talk) 02:11, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DVD making of the soundtrack

On the DVD release of this movie is an incredible hour-long movie of the recording sessions for the soundtrack of the movie. It would be fantastic if wikipedia recognized this. Jim O'Rourke, Henry Kaiser, and Werner Herzog himself are all notable people who figure prominently in it.Straw Dogberry (talk) 06:38, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Timothy Treadwell cremated

According to the documentary, he is cremated and his ashes are scattered at Katmai National Park. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.86.71.225 (talk) 18:19, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistencies on Report of Remains

The article on Timothy Treadwell states his watch was retrieved from his RIGHT forearm. This article mentions it was retrieved from his LEFT arm. Which is it? As gruesome as the details are, if they are to be included in these articles then they should be reported accurately. Inconsistencies on Report of Remains, needs verified and edited or omitted entirely. I would include the details to dissuade anyone else from making the same mistakes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.190.14.63 (talk) 18:00, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]