Talk:Gribshunden

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Did you know... that a sea monster figurehead has been recovered from the wreckage of Gribshunden, a 15th-century Danish warship?

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translation error

'Stora Ekön (English: "Great Echoes")' is an error of translation. Ekön means the oak island. Ekon is echoes. Bo Jacoby (talk) 04:36, 21 August 2015 (UTC).[reply]

Thanks for the correction/fix. :) —Lowellian (reply) 17:17, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Seeds of conflict emerging with the wreck?

The article doesn't say what will happen to the shipwreck? Are they planning to raise it wholesale and put it in a Wasa Museum copycat? If yes, will it be in Sweden or Denmark? (Note: those two countries are not on the best terms, due to danish territorial claims affecting lands in the southern tip of current-day Sweden.) 82.131.151.104 (talk) 13:22, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

According to this DN artictle (in Swedish), the wreck is too damaged to be raised, sounds like the actual ship has collapsed in on itself, but that contents in the cargo hold and living quarters may have been preserved within the wreck. Then of course that article makes reference to a claim that "the ship may have reached the Americas before Columbus", which I don't see supported anywhere else, so maybe it's not the most reliable source on the subject: https://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/nu-gravs-kungens-flaggskepp-fran-1400-talet-fram/ 213.89.131.179 (talk) 20:00, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong Period of History listed in Overview

The overview section of this article says in the concluding line, "she is one of the best-preserved wrecks from the early modern period," which is incorrect. The beginning and end dates of early modern period and medieval period are always somewhat contested, but I've never encountered an historian claiming years pre-1500 belonging to the early modern period. That sentence firstly cites a BBC article titled "Medieval ship's 'sea monster' figurehead raised from Baltic," and if that weren't evidence enough, it says in the article that the ship is from the late medieval period (which is correct). Nowhere in that article is the early modern period referenced. It's a false citation.

The point being that this article's overview is incorrect: the ship was neither built nor lost in the early modern period. And even if the ship were attributed to the correct period, the claim is dubious; the remains from this ship pale in comparison to the scope and state of preservation of the Swedish Vasa and the English Mary Rose. The article ought to be edited to either remove this last sentence or more properly cite it; I'd change "early modern" to "late medieval" myself, but I'm not sure this shipwreck is one of the best preserved medieval shipwrecks, either.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.59.176 (talk • contribs) 10:57, 16 October 2015‎

The beginning of the early modern period is not as clear-cut as you're making it out to be. To quote from Wikipedia's own article on the early modern period, "Although the chronological limits of the period are open to debate, the timeframe spans the period after the late portion of the post-classical age (c. 1500)), known as the Middle Ages, through the beginning of the Age of Revolutions (c. 1800) and is variously demarcated by historians as beginning with the Fall of Constantinople in 1453...," so yes, many historians do consider years pre-1500 to be part of the early modern period.

Nevertheless, to be unambiguous, I changed it from the early modern period to the late medieval period. The BBC, for example, states, "The Gribshunden is thought to be the world's best-preserved late medieval ship."

—Lowellian (reply) 06:54, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Sails, oak and Vasa

[I am not an expert and do not know the terminology, especially in English] It seems that the mix of two types of sails (square and triangular) was quite innovative and a compromise between flexibility (triangular) and man-power needed (square). The page in French has a drawing that could illustrate this page. Another short addition could mention the fact that dendrochronology allowed not only to date the trees but also found their origin (Scania and Poland if I am correct). Finally, a "See also" linking to the Vasa wreck could be added. Japarthur (talk) 08:11, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]