Talk:Greater Syria/Archive 1

Archive 1

Kingdom?

Faisal I of Iraq is listed as having briefly been "King of Greater Syria" - can someone with knowledge detail the physical kingdom here? Timrollpickering 10:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Merge Bilad al-Sham into this

I still don't understand why there is an article about the same thing, just with a title in another language. Shouldn't they be merged? Funkynusayri 11:43, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree, I'll start on it right now Al Ameer son 19:39, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Irredentist term!?

Umm, how can we be classifying a legitimate historical-geographical term as "irredentist" based solely on its present day association with Syrian irredentism? Do we apply the same standards to, say, Judea and Samaria or Eretz Yisrael? Obviously, we should mention the irredentist / expansionist claims made by the SSNP and others, but calling the term "Greater Syria" irredendist in itself is a stretch bordering on using Wikipedia as a soapbox. <eleland/talkedits> 05:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the merging

The Sham and Greater Syria articles should be merged. They are two names for the same thing.HD1986 (talk) 04:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Greater Syria

this is not just greater syria it <s with the regions that Assyrians lived 2000 years ago

Thanks for the map

Actually, the map is rather inappropriate on its own. One major modern relevance of the concept of Greater Syria is to the history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, notably its influence on early Palestinian nationalism. To show 'historic Syria' undifferentiated from Iraq gives the wrong impression, in that the real commercial and landholding historical linkages between Syria, Palestine and Lebanon are subsumed under a much wider and purely political project. Agathias of Aeolis 05:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

The user above is correct this wiki page is a bit mixed up in regards to terminology. The Sham does not include Iraq (& Kuwait). Sham, Iraq & Kuwait make up ancient Assyria and its dominions, which is not the Sham. Mazighe (talk) 08:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Remove

i suggest the article to be removed since there no reference whatsoever for its main argument/claim: that all these territories are claimed by the ssnp, the map on top of this is even more ridicilous: somebody took the effort to make this without stating what it is based on? how hard is it to reference something like this?78.29.210.205 (talk) 12:18, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

You may have a point there. The source for the map is given as... the map itself. However it is more or less in line with what the SSNP claims.[1] I do think it is very problematic that this article is so heavily front-loaded with the SSNP nationalist claims, rather than discussing the very real and legitimate cultural-historical region of Syria. The article used to claim that just using the term "Greater Syria" was irredentist... yeah, it's been a problematic article. <eleland/talkedits> 13:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Irredentism

Technically speaking, the term "irredentist" can't be applied to the SSNP for several reasons:

• The SSNP is originally a Lebanese party. It is ridiculous to say that Lebanon is claiming Syria back.
• The SSNP does not call for recovering former territory (which is the defenition of irredentism) but it calls for establishing a huge state out of many countries beased on historical and ethnic claims. It is a typical nationalist party, and maybe also a fascist party, but it is not irredentist.
• Most of the inhabitants of these countries do support establishing such a unified country. In fact, they would even go further and demand establishing a unified pan-Arab or even pan-Muslim state. So the idea of unification per se is not unpleasant to the inhabitants of these countries, even if they do not support the SSNP.

HD86 (talk) 10:43, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Map of Greater Syria

The whole section on the SSNP's map of Greater Syria contains no citations. Moreover, the borders of every nation surrounding "Greater Syria" as envisioned by the SSNP have been altered without explanation. There are also regions (e.g. Antalya in Western Turkey) that have been separately delineated. It is unclear what these territories are meant to represent in relation to "Greater Syria". This map has been removed from the SSNP main article because of this. If the albeit unreferenced section on the geography of "Greater Syria" as proposed by the SSNP is to have a map, the image should be revised to only include changes to the political map of the countries that are referenced in the section. Nakhoda84 —Preceding undated comment added 20:54, 16 March 2009 (UTC).

Your understanding of Greater Syria is flawed. Greater Syria doesn't correlate exactly with the land borders of it's constituent Sykes-Picot defined countries. The borders are defined by the crests of the Taurus and Zagros Mountain ranges, and the Arabian desert, which form a natural, topographical delineation between Turkey, Persia and Arabia respectively. The inclusion of a map of Greater Syria in this article is essential and the map you removed should be readded. 94.192.38.247 (talk) 01:39, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

The map that was posted was concerned with national borders, not a historical region. Specifically, it was concerned with early proposals of a unified Syrian state, a unification of states that were created as a result of the Sykes-Picot Agreement, but it had flaws (see first comment). --Nakhoda84 (talk) 03:14, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Kuwait?

Does Kuwait consider part of greater syria ??? I cant beleive it, I always hear from them that they consider themselves as part of the gulf, not greater syria. SeMiTiC

Kuwait was historically part of the Basra Province, ie. historically part of Iraq/Mesopotamia. K'Anpo (talk) 12:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

What about SE Turkey?

Modern-day "Southeastern Turkey" is a vital part of hisoric Syria. At the Paris peace Conference, Diyarbakir Province was claimed. These claims went ignored by the Great Powers of course.

Soapboxing removed. Please keep comments civil and about the article. Wikipedia is not a forum. Thank you. K'Anpo (talk) 12:49, 1 April 2009 (UTC)