Talk:Great Pyramid of Cholula

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Agree with Validity? + Where is the pyramid anyways?

Reading the article does not make it clear where the pyramid is supposed to be. Under the hill, besides the hill, on the hill? And if so, what volume was measured? It is pointless to discuss the exact volume before defining where the border of the pyramid is?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.16.63.28 (talk) 13:30, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Validity?

Where is the evidence that a pyramid is under that hill? All that can be seen is just one piece of construction that appears to be build onto the side of the hill. There is no explanation why a giant pyramid would be covered by such a huge mound of dirt, and since the whole site is ruined by a church, there's no way to dig in order to find out if indeed there is a complete pyramid beneath. I hope in the future, articles such as this, as well as other archaeological sites can be watched a bit better to make sure we are dealing with encyclopedic information and not tourism industry hype. Basically, I do not trust this article.

As well as may be, but it is actually well sourced and have been there myself. The tunnels are currently out of operation due to rockslides but the tunnels were until recently publicly accessable and go deep within the pyramid structure. It is well documented and the article itself is well sourced 189.145.173.52 (talk) 21:10, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Small pyramid mound nearby?

I visited Cholula less than one month ago (2005). After going through the tunnel and the excavated areas, I walked around the surrounding roads. On the other side of one of these roads was a fenced off area containing an unexcavated mound clearly in the shape of a small pyramid. There were no sings of any kind. Does anybody know anything about this pyramid? — Hippietrail 14:53, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

photos

as it is, the large photo is screwing up the layout and covering the other photo. how should one go about correcting that? (my layout design skills are non-existent). --little Alex 02:18, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

thanks. Timebender13 00:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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BetacommandBot 03:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC) The Pyramid is the biggest pyramid by volume at all, not only pre-columbian, changed. BR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.14.204.75 (talk) 19:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Volume estimate is low

The volume estimate provided on this page is based on the standard method to calculate a true pyramid. This isn't a true pyramid the sides rise steeper than a true pyramid would and then there is a flat top so if the base and hieght dimensions are right then the volume should be much higher perhaps closer to 6 million cubic meters or more. More precise estimates would require more precise dimensions of the tiers. good day Zacherystaylor (talk) 16:47, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, volume is not measured in "square meters," area is.

I'm not too sure about that. It's not really a simple shape, 450 x 450 m and 66 m high, it is a complex shape of multiple levels, The part that is sort of pyramidical is much, much smaller than 450 x 450 m. If anything, the volume numbers are highly inflated. Just go to the site on google earth and measure it, you can see that the numbers are pure nonsense. It includes a low base anyway. It would be like calling the two facing temples and the entire acropolis at Tikal as a single pyramid just because they're placed on a raised platform. Richard Hansen use the same idiotic nonsense calculations at El Mirador, where he calculates the volume of the La Danta pyramid inclusive a large raised platform, which is actually mostly a low hill (according to himself!!!). NONE of those structures are any bigger than the Khufu pyramid, PERIOD! Just think about it, the pyramidical part of La Danta, for example, is only 140 x 140 x 28 m (and that's just an estimate, the length of the sides may be even smaller and more rectangular). It has steep sides, yes, but even if it was a block, it would still be pitifully small in comparison with the Khufu pyramid. 87.53.55.228 (talk) 23:13, 22 November 2010 (UTC) Jiménez[reply]

construction dates and amount of phases totally wrong

according to my archaeology book the pyramid-temple was built from 200 bc-800ad.... and only went through 4 stages of construction.. so i changed this

The temple-pyramid complex was built over many dozens of generations, from the 2nd century BCE to the early 16th century

to this

The temple-pyramid complex was built in four stages, starting from the 3rd century BCE through the 9th century AD Adrian lugo18 (talk) 04:51, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

btw. is it possible to let everyone know how this "archaelogy book" is titled and by whom it was written? thanks in advice -- Hartmann Schedel ^cheers 12:46, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

4,45 Million square meter

square meter? shouldn't it be cubic meter? Sorry if this is a stupid Question -- Hartmann Schedel ^cheers 21:19, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

thanks to IP, also for let me find out by myself that this thing was corrected -- Hartmann Schedel ^cheers 18:09, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Largest Pyramid?

The introduction claims that the Great Pyramid of Cholula is "the largest pyramid known to exist in the world today." Can we support this fact? The Great Pyramid of Giza is certainly larger, and the Pyramid of the Sun seems to be larger as well... 189.249.159.73 (talk) 23:34, 6 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not by volume, it's not. The two larger pyramids at Giza are taller, but Cholula is between 1 and 2 million cubic metres bigger by volume, due to its much bigger base. You can easily work the maths out for yourself, with the standard formula of volume = (1/3)length*width. Trilobright (talk) 00:09, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your formula is wrong, it's V = (length x width x height)/3. And that only applies to regular geometric pyramids, not to a tiered structure like this. I suggest the phrase "largest pyramid" be replaced by "one of the largest pyramids". This would be unequivocally true. Peterravn (talk) 22:55, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

About the sentence "It has a base of 300 by 315 metres (984 by 1,033 ft) and a height of 25 m (82 ft). According to the Guinness Book of Records, it is, in fact, the largest pyramid as well as the largest monument ever constructed anywhere in the world, with a total volume estimated at over 4.45 million cubic metres" [1],

and the calculation: V = 300 * 315 * 25 / 3 yields 787,500 meter cubic. Much less than 4.45 million meter cubic.

Using the alternate number of 66 meter of height ([2]) only yields 2.079 million meter cubic, still lesser than Giza.

To arrive at that number (4.45 million), either the height need to be 141 meter, or the base area to be 202.272 meter square (assuming height of 66 meter), which is more than twice bigger than 300 * 315 meter = 94.500 meter square. Bennylin (talk) 05:00, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Bennylin What we really need is a reliable source making the statement. I didn't find one when I looked. Doug Weller talk 10:50, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Height

Why does the text say "25 m" whereas the graphic says 50 m? Britannica says 54 m and http://www.mesoamerica.de/mexiko-zentral/cholula/50cholula.htm says between 60 and 70 m. Heilongjian (talk) 14:00, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]