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Headhunters viewership

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We need numbers for Saturday, not Sunday. EvergreenFir (talk) 02:00, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Prod. Code off the episode table

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I'm removing the production code from the episode table because it is already sourced in the items above it and there are too many info there, making it messy. Thank you. - Artmanha (talk) 15:57, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As long as the production code is well-referenced, it a standard expected part of an episode list table. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:14, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Too much information on the table can become messy, which can be a problem. There is no need for it to be there since it's already cited above it. And we should not take other episode lists as references as per Template:Episode list. — Artmanha (talk) 01:37, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's more useful if it's in the list. We can always use <br /> to split the writers and directors into multiple columns to make more space. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gatordragon (talk • contribs) 01:40, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We don't expect people to click on links to external sites to find information that is normally part of this type of article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:10, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Prod. codes aren't of general public's concern. Besides, most channels don't even release these information. — Artmanha (talk) 02:21, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Since it's available, why not just put it in the table? It helps expand it with sourced information. Gatordragon (talk) 02:26, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Networks like to show stuff out of production order and that is sometimes a problem as logical story progression generally follows the production order. Also episodes are generally placed in production order on DVD compilations as that is the order the writers expected them to be viewed. Lots of people, for example me, like to watch shows in production order for the logical progression as designed by the production team and not screwed up by the network. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:32, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I get your point, but that's not true at all. Yes, they broadcast the episodes out of order, but it still follows the chronological order. The home releases, as the digital ones, don't usually put them in order of production but in airing order. Before they change a broadcasting order, the producers check if it will alter anything on the chonological timeline of the show. Most sitcoms/cartoons have some sort of independent storyline each episode, which allow them to change this order more frequently. But that doesn't mean that is the "correct order" to watch them in order of production. — Artmanha (talk) 02:44, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've found enough cases in my viewing where the network completely screwed up ongoing story lines, talked about stuff in earlier produced episodes hasn't aired yet to never trust that the network even cares sometimes to get it right (Kim Possible for example). Shows are in the can before the networks changes the order in airing so little means for the production team to fix things. In some shows it doesn't matter if there is no on-going story arc but still I personally as a reader really really want to see the production codes for the shows I watch so I can choose to watch them in the written order. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:03, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Let's put into a vote. As per WP:OSE. But until then we should leave them without the prod. codes as while it's under discussion the status quo reigns per WP:STATUSQUO. - Artmanha (talk) 02:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The original status quo for a long time (August 13, 2013 to July 19, 2015) had the production codes until you removed them July 19. I don't think you have made a compelling reason to remove them for this article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:03, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the Wiki rule states the status quo as being before the discussion began, so without the prod. codes. So, until the votes per WP:RfC finish, we remain without them. — Artmanha (talk) 03:08, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Your first entry in this discussion was July 19, 2015. The article has been returned to the state it was before your change. Also note that the original article before the split contained the production code column. You need to justify removal of something that has been in this article and its predecessor for 3 years. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:12, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'd honestly like to see production codes removed from all tv series pages... should we start an RFC over on WT:TV? EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 17:05, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@EvergreenFir:I'm with you. Please give me further instructions on what to do. Thank you! — Artmanha (talk) 18:27, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(ec)@EvergreenFir: An RfC at WT:TV would be better venue. I will, of course, strongly oppose removal for the reasons I gave above, mostly because, as a reader, I have found that information extremely useful to me and hard to come by outside wiki for some shows. Particularly when extracted from end credits. It is something I expect to see in series tables. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:32, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Artmanha: Instead of compressing the columns so much, we should probably separate directors and writers with line breaks instead, as it was done in many other TV articles already. Then we probably won't need the widths. But we also need to do that on the season 2 article for consistency, which is currently protected. nyuszika7h (talk) 18:18, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm okay with that as long as it stays one line per episode (two for episodes with Story and Teleplay), with the exception of episode 7 which has a pretty long list. — Artmanha (talk) 18:25, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(ec)I think things depend on what browser you are using. Article looks perfectly fine to me right now as it is. Only real column that is redundant is number in season but removing that would make it inconsistent with the season 2 article where it is required. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:32, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) @Artmanha: What do you mean by "one line per episode"? You pretty much just said "I'm okay with that as long as you don't change anything". The problem is that the writers (and directors, but that one not so much) column is too wide, which doesn't leave enough space for the episode title, especially in the season 2 article. Take a look at List of I Didn't Do It episodes, for example. Although episodes with "Story by" and "Teleplay by" get pretty tall if we try to put each writer on a separate line, so not sure. nyuszika7h (talk) 18:39, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Nyuszika7H: I see, but that doesn't seem much practical here for the reason you stated. So I'll go with Geraldo Perez and say we leave the way it now. Changing season 2 once it is unblocked. — Artmanha (talk) 18:45, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Guest Stars

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What makes you say that Nyuzsikah7, some of the other animated shows especially the ones from Disney also feature recurring voice actors that aren't a part of the main cast, yet they are not credited as "Guest Stars". Besides, it wouldn't make sense like for instance Rob Paulsen or Tom Kenny who either made one appearance in an episode of a show or provided additional voices as "guest stars". Seriously stop making this a big deal already--AnimeDisneylover95 (talk) 20:49, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@AnimeDisneylover95: In the case of Gravity Falls, nobody is explicitly credited as a guest star; recurring cast listed along with main cast. If we list anyone, then we should list all non-main cast. Of course, for other shows with an explicit "guest stars" credit, only those credited as such are listed. nyuszika7h (talk) 13:51, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
They shouldn't be labeled as "Guest stars" unless that is actually stated in the episode credits. I think it is good to list the additional voice talent used in an episode but they should probably be tagged as "Additional voices of:" or similar in the episode summary. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:10, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

alternate international broadcast numbering

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See discussion of issue at Talk:Gravity Falls (season 2)#alternate numbering Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:00, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Background color

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Can we change the background color to something else (at least a lighter shade), please? Surprisingly, it's AAA compliant with the black text color (contrast ratio: 8.36:1), but not with white text color (contrast ratio: 2.51:1). The latter is much more readable to me, but we can't change it to that, because then it wouldn't be AAA compliant. nyuszika7h (talk) 19:50, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps this could work (one of the colors from the logo):

No.
overall		No. in
season		TitleDirected byWritten byOriginal air dateProd.
code		U.S. viewers
(millions)
11"Tourist Trapped"John AoshimaAlex HirschJune 15, 2012 (2012-06-15)1053.40[1]

– nyuszika7h (talk) 19:53, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not terribly visually pleasing... how about
No.
overall		No. in
season		TitleDirected byWritten byOriginal air dateProd.
code		U.S. viewers
(millions)
11"Tourist Trapped"John AoshimaAlex HirschJune 15, 2012 (2012-06-15)1053.40[1]
EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 00:10, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@EvergreenFir: That's better. The current one doesn't look that hard to read now (maybe f.lux influenced it), but the lighter shade is an improvement anyway. nyuszika7h (talk) 13:01, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Nyuszika7H: I'll check it! EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 17:12, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b Kondolojy, Amanda (June 18, 2012). "Friday Cable Ratings: Let it Shine Premiere, + US Open, WWE Friday Night SmackDown, Common Law, Fairly Legal, & More". TV by the Numbers. Retrieved March 13, 2013.
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I have noticed that since November 5, 2023 with "The Legend of the Gobblewonker", Disney XD's YouTube channel has been gradually uploading full episodes of Gravity Falls from at least its first season (the list can be found here). (Since they are up to "Boyz Crazy" at the time of writing, it is unknown if episodes from the second season would also be uploaded.)

Should links to these full episodes be included in the episode list, similar to List of Epic Rap Battles of History episodes? JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 19:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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