Talk:Governor Moore (gunboat)

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Kennon's first name

I have substituted "Beverley" for "Beverly" as the captain's first name. That is the spelling he used when writing the article for Battles and leaders, v. 2, p. 76.PKKloeppel (talk) 23:45, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the spelling of this name in 2019 on this and related articles to match that given in his testimony as documented in ORN series II vol 1 ("Beverly" as opposed to "Beverley"). There is a separate US naval officer who pre-deceased this individual of the same name, save that this other individual used the "Beverley" spelling.

Requested move 16 January 2022

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The result of the move request was: moved to Governor Moore (gunboat). (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:18, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

CSS Governor Moore → Louisiana gunboat Governor Moore – The CSS prefix is incorrect here, as the vessel never directly served under Confederate control, but was actually part of the military forces of the state of Louisiana. RS seem to most commonly refer to this as "Louisiana gunboat Governor Moore", "LSNS Governor Moore", and "Louisiana State Navy Ship Governor Moore". I'm somewhat indifferent as to which of those three is used, but the CSS prefix is not accurate. Hog Farm _Talk 19:39, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article is essentially a entire copyvio of DANFS (which should be dealt with as a matter of urgency), but DANFS calls her CSS and does not specify she wasn't commissioned in the CSN. A Google search indicates a lot of books referring to her as CSS Governor Moore, so I'm just wondering where the "not commissioned in the CSN" comes from and what sources contradict this? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:27, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Peacemaker67: - Chatelain's Defending the Arteries of Rebellion (Savas/Beatie 2020) pp. 88-91 refers to the construction of Governor Moore and General Quitman as being done by the state of Louisiana separate from the Confederate Navy using two vessels the Confederates rejected when constructing the River Defense Fleet. Chatelain refers to the two vessels as the "Louisiana State Navy" and notes that the two vessels were alongside, but somewhat separate, from the CSA fleet. Throughout Chatelain's work, the gunboat is consistently referred to as the "Louisiana gunboat Governor Moore" (p. 161) "Louisiana State Navy Ship Governor Moore" (p. 164), "Louisiana Navy gunboat Governor Moore" (p. 295), etc. Calore's Naval Campaigns of the Civil War (McFarland, 2002) notes that the vessels fighting for the Confederacy at Forts Jackson and St. Philip were from three separate commands - the CSA navy, the River Defense Fleet, and the Louisiana State Navy, listing Governor Moore and General Quitman as the two Louisiana State Navy ships, although the overall commander of the three was a Confederate naval officer. (pp. 156-157). Hearn's The Capture of New Orleans (Louisiana State University, 1995) refers to Governor Moore as part of the Confederate fleet, but states that it was a "State of Louisiana steamer" (p. 193). Hearn does use "CSS Governor Moore" on p. 271 but also refers to it as "Louisiana gunboat Governor Moore" on p. 270. Luraghi's A History of the Confederate Navy (Naval Institute Press, 1996) refers to Governor Moore and General Quitman as "two gunboats belonging to the state of Louisiana" while noting that they were temporarily put under the command of the Confederate naval officer Mitchell for the Battle of Forts Jackson and St. Philip. While the vessel did serve under a Confederate officer in its big battle, it's clearly identified as being operated by the Louisiana State Navy. I'd argue that with the CSA claim basically being that they commanded the ship in a sort of alliance relationship for its one battle, that it should be identified as a Louisiana ship (much like a distinguishment between Missouri State Guard and CSA units should be made, although the MSG sometimes served under regular Confederate officers), although I can see why others would disagree. I intend to clean up the DANFS copypasta issue over the coming week, but wanted to get the name worked out before I got too far along. (The same treatment this one winds up with should be what General Quitman gets when its article is written). Hog Farm _Talk 05:16, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - if we're moving the article, we should use the correct denonym = "Louisianan gunboat General Moore". An alternative would be General Moore (gunboat) Mjroots (talk) 19:27, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Given the specialist ACW naval sources detailed above and Mjroots excellent suggestion, I support a move to General Moore (gunboat) for concision, as I cannot find any other gunboats of that name that would necessitate adding disambiguation by state. If that occurs, remember to add it to the General Moore dab page. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:44, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @Mjroots and Peacemaker67: - y'all mean Governor Moore (gunboat), right? Hog Farm _Talk 22:49, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Doh. Yes... Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:45, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Now, is Governor to General a promotion or demotion? Mjroots (talk) 06:27, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I support the (gunboat) disambiguation system for this one and General Quitman (once created) as well. Hog Farm _Talk 16:36, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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