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New knights section

As posted on @GoutComplex's talkpage, I don't think this section is very relevant to the article. It seems that you are writing about actions of English knights outside of England (or even outside of the Angevin Empire). Also, I don't think the last paragraph about atheists in the Low Countries has any relevance to this subject of this article. What does this have to do with English government? Ltwin (talk) 23:57, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GoutComplex after reading the source, I am removing this section. It looks like some statements from the book were taken and expanded on by WP: original research. For example, it says that knights like William Marshal could rely on people to let them circumvent the law. The relevant passage in the cited book is on page 64:

"the Young King was providentially delivered by William Marshal, who pledged on his word of honour as a knight that the debt would be paid.32 Immediately the situation was transformed and the gates opened, for the solemn promise of the greatest knight in Christendom was an international currency. Unlike both Old and Young Kings William Marshal always kept his word.

This isn't the case of Marshal "circumventing the law"; its the case that the city did not believe Henry the Young King would pay what he owed them but they did believe Marshal's promise. Another example is the last paragraph, which says that knights like Marshal " were generally respectful of atheists". I have no idea where this is coming from. The only thing I see in the citation given is on page 65:

"Since William Marshal was honourable, he often nagged the Young King about holding tournaments in Normandy, thinking they should be held only in the godless Low Countries."

Ltwin (talk) 01:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]