Talk:Golfer's elbow

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What are the symptoms?

The article doesn't discuss symptoms. 173.66.211.53 (talk) 13:31, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Description section paragraph 3 is speculative, likely inaccurate, and reinforces unhealthy mindsets.

Paragraph 3 of the description section: "The injury is not acute inflammation, but rather is a chronic disorder resulting from overuse of a repetitive arm motion.[1][2] Repetitive activity leads to recurrent microtears within the flexor tendon, with remodeling of the collagen fibers and an increase in the amount of mucoid ground substance.[1] As a result, scar tissue formation and thickening of the tendon lead to reduced collagen strength and pain with repetitive use.[1]"

This is speculative, likely inaccurate, and reinforces unhealthy mindsets. Ischyros7 (talk) 10:49, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The description adheres to the main source under Pathophysiology. Please give your evaluation based on this or another reliable WP:MEDRS source. Zefr (talk) 15:48, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Treatment

"A counterforce brace or "elbow strap" to reduce strain at the elbow epicondyle, to limit pain provocation and to protect against further damage" has been edited. There is no damage in an enthesopathy. It is idiopathic and the pathophysiology is mucoid degeneration. It's important not to reinforce the common misconception that painful activities will cause damage. Hadis.Askari (talk) 21:14, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please reconcile your interpretation with the description of pathophysiology and pain under History and Physical in the Kiel review. Zefr (talk) 22:24, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Occurrence

Proposed to replace the the word medial injury with enthesopathy. This condition is not an injury. It is an idiopathic enthesopathy of middle age.

Additionally, statistics regarding its prevalence by genders have not been phrased correctly. These are claims data. The evidence from imaging suggests no difference in pathophysiology prevalence by gender.

Last proposed change is rephrasing the sentences that improper techniques for the risk factors. Improper technique is not accurate. We need to be careful not reinforce catastrophic thinking and kinesophobia. The evidence is strong that this is an idiopathic enthesopathy of middle age. The pathophysiology is unrelated to activity, but the symptoms may be. Hadis.Askari (talk) 04:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As the Kiel source states, golfer's elbow is similar to ulnar collateral ligament injury of the elbow, also described in discussion topics above and in the article. You provided no sources for your opinion. Any change in the article has to be supported by a WP:MEDRS source. Zefr (talk) 05:14, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Treatment

Proposed deletion of sub-section of "physical therapy" as part of treatments and adding the associated recommendation of " Exercises for stretching and gradual strengthening of the flexor-pronator muscles" as part of existing treatment recommendation. Physical therapy is a profession, not a treatment. Hadis.Askari (talk) 18:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree. Physical therapy is both a profession and a treatment, as explained in the Wikipedia article lede statement and section called Effectiveness. Three sources support the use of physical therapy during recovery from the injury of golfer's elbow. Zefr (talk) 18:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]