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Request to make article shorter

This article is perfect for a book. However, it is way too long for a Wikipedia article. This is in fact 78 pages long. This article should be shortened. There is also some information that has invalid references, such as that of random videos on Youtube that should be deleted. Gug01 (talk) 19:59, 15 April 2014 (UTC)Gug 01Gug01 (talk) 19:59, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

That was the first thing I thought as soon as I saw the page. The article is too long - I thought one of the USPs of Wikipedia is that you could include links to other articles. Even if the article wasn't too long, the paragraphs are way too long making them unattractive.
Partially addressed this by splitting article, see Template:Golden eagle. BearGlyph (talk) 18:56, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Cannonmc (talk) 08:09, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Edit request

Second Paragraph: "...hunt and kill unnatural, dangerous prey such as grey wolves..." I don't like the word "unnatural." The wolf is one of the most, if not the most, maligned species on this planet. We do not need unscientific, derogatory comments about them on this site. Besides, scientifically speaking, what is "unnatural" about Grey Wolves anyway? Does the author mean not indigenous? If so, that seems erroneous; what habitat would be referenced in this case? I am not familiar with instances where humans introduced Grey Wolves into a habitat they were not in before. Please remove the word "unnatural." Jamespisano (talk) 20:34, 19 December 2012 (UTC)jamespisano

My interpretation of that line is that the grey wolf is not normally preyed upon by the golden eagle, it is therefore unnatural and dangerous prey for this bird. The act of preying upon the wolf is unnatural, not the wolf itself. BearGlyph (talk) 18:58, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Second paragraph: "Due to their hunting prowless" should be "Due to their hunting prowess". Scipio Ecosse (talk) 22:18, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

The whole Montreal child snatching attempt referenced in this article relates to a viral fake/cgi video on youtube, this hardly should even be mentioned here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.162.154.32 (talk) 15:44, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Documentation

Some documentation is needed for this article. Philosopher Torin 06:27, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Why? What is contentious? jimfbleak 13:04, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
When I first viewed it there was a lot of information that had no sources, much of it seemed like it came off the top of someone's head... or was read from a book. I don't think any of the current info is contentious, but it needs to be given some authority. Philosopher Torin 22:08, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

tortoises

they like to drop tortoises and eat them too--Capsela 20:16, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

what badasses --75.41.5.77 03:58, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
source? sounds more like Lammergeier to me jimfbleak 05:17, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Golden Eagles in Greece have learned to do this, yes. Here's a clip from David Attenborough's The Life of Birds, demonstrating said behavior. And so, even if the story of how Aeschylus died may be apocryphal, the story's originator at least appears to have been familiar with this behavior some 2,500 years ago – presuming the story didn't emerge until centuries later. --Anshelm '77 (talk) 01:27, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Fix broken link..

Someone needs to fix the broken link to the "cat vs. duck" site.

The new link should be http://www.nwf.org/endangered/nationalbird.cfm

lambs

Unsourced item

In the US, Golden Eagles often take lambs as prey, providing a significant source of mortality and earning the enmity of sheep ranchers.

This is not the case in Europe, and since unsourced, seems doubtful especially as significant source of mortality. jimfbleak 17:04, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

There's a nice treatment of the issue in this article from the University of Nebraska coperative extension - [1]
"Although eagles may benefit producers by preying on rodents and rabbits and feeding on carrion, they may have a major adverse impact on individual producers by preying on young lambs, kids, exotic game species, and other game animals. Losses are most severe where nesting eagles prey repeatedly on the same flock or where migrant eagles concentrate in an area and cause major losses over a short period of time."
Here's a study from the UK - [2] - in that case eagle predation on lambs was detected but minor compared to other losses.
Many people are very skeptical that eagles can predate on domestic livestock, but it has been pretty well documented. Whether it is "signficant" (significant for the industry as a whole, or certain unlucky ranchers) is more difficult to determine. Toiyabe 00:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Refs

There seem to be a lot of references about the religious use of eagle by native americans. This doesn't concern golden eagles in particular, and only concerns north America, so i suggest they be deleted. Raoulduke47 17:12, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Good jimfbleak 20:04, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

lie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.88.121.189 (talk) 19:12, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

35, 45 years

Saw on TV they live a long time.

Cannot classify this bird

Hi folks... I am trying to find out what kind of bird of prey it is that nests on my property. Below is a link to two pictures, one of the bird sitting in the tree, one in flight. http://knoglinger.com/pics/ These pictures were taken on Vancouver Island, BC, Canada. My guess it is an eagle, but which one? I hope that the shot with the wings spread out will help. Chaosdna (talk) 01:09, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't look like either of the N Am eagles to me, more like a Buteo Jimfbleak (talk) 05:39, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Youtube reference

"although there are videos of golden eagles taking down wolves by themselves on youtube.[7]"

[7] being "Gordon (1955)"

Is there really a reference by Gordon from 1955 that talks about an eagle video on youtube? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.169.232.153 (talk) 19:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Furthermore, should there be any mention of YouTube at all? The videos are not permanent and the statement made about the videos adds very little to the section. Miuq (talk) 17:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

har har!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.157.139.139 (talk) 22:57, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Request

Hello! Would it be possible to add an interwiki pointing at the article concerning the bird in greek wikipedia? The code would be "el:Χρυσαετός". Thank you very much. 85.74.95.41 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:13, 15 March 2009 (UTC).

Mountain eagle

As far as I know this is called the mountain eagle, too. There should be a disambuigation page for mountain eagle with a link to this article. It is absurd that if I type mountain eagle into the search box it redirects to me to a lost film with the only alternative being a newspaper. I mean where do they have their names if not from the animal. 81.182.237.202 (talk) 22:50, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I have never heard of that synonym. Can you supply a reference? In which cae I would be happy to rectify. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:30, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

birds

I need help for a page about golden eagles.I need to find they lift,drag,thrust and mass —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.127.239.30 (talk) 22:17, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

locally

The word "locally" has a different meaning in birding than in common use. Locally common, for example, means that the bird is likely to be found in its range, but only in certain kinds of conditions or situations. "Locally" doesn't require specification unless you seriously want a list of every specific place they can be found. "Locally extinct" is weird, though, and should be changed to something like "extirpated in some of their former range," or just eliminated, as that's true of just about every bird. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.113.186.77 (talk) 17:44, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Done. DGERobertson 18:59, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Size dispute

Though they can get quite large, I have never heard of one reaching a 110" wingspan (this is over 9', and is the size of a condor... quite doubtful). The largest I have heard of is about 95-96". Anything larger would need to cite a reference. If no reference is cited, I recommend changing the size limit to 96". WS6lethal (talk) 15:06, 25 October 2010 (UTC)WS6Lethal

Edit request from 92.251.255.12, 31 October 2010

{{edit semi-protected}}

This request refers to the 'Golden Eagle" article, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Eagle. In the section "ecology", subsection "feeding" there is a line that needs to be deleted because it is both grammatical nonsense and an irrelevant reference to a computer game. The line is as follows; ".in 2010 some people known the golden eagle are FarmVille eater."

Thank you. 92.251.255.12 (talk) 11:15, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Already done -Atmoz (talk) 20:40, 31 October 2010 (UTC)


Golden Eagle is collab for January 2011

Nominated November 1st 2010;

  1. Support: Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:53, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
  2. —focus 20:01, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
  3. Maias (talk) 05:01, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
  4. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 02:14, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
  5. Shyamal (talk)

Comments: I have added this as it is (a) getting size vandalism edits, (b) well known and familiar, and (c) is substantially buffed up, so might be a more straightforward one to get to GA/FA. I have no personal attachement but am increasingly curious...Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:53, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Todo

Alright, time for some serious work on this article. I've added a todo list at the top of the talk page with a few bullets, but I'm sure there are other things to be added. Anyone have access to the HBW article on this? The sources I have access to are mostly about eagles in the Americas, so I'll need help getting more worldwide perspective. —focus 21:24, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Golden eagles dying faster than they can be replaced due to wind farms -- 67 eagles die a year!

Just a little note mentioning how many birds die a year would be nice.

Yeah, might be worth a read and digest Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:17, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Description

Having been accustomed to reading bird descriptions from bird books, I was struck with how useless the description is in this article. It reads like a static description of a sample bird in front of the viewer (close up, one you can measure, see from all angles, etc.), rather than providing any assistance in helping to identify a bird in the wild where you may only have a partial view of the bird and where the bird may vary from the "normal" bird (e.g. dark phases, immature, etc.). Usually when describing birds the description pays particular attention to features found on the bird that distinguish it from other similar birds, but this is missing in this article. Is this intentional?

I was hoping to find information about how to distinguish this bird from other similar birds, particularly in flight. I know there are books that specialize in this, but I don't have one handy. I had expected that such information would have been incorporated into wikipedia articles. 174.254.226.13 (talk) 08:41, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Speed

If one of the tactics a golden eagle uses is speed, shouldn't there be some reference to how fast this bird can fly and/or dive? Jtyroler (talk) 03:06, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Golden eagles never have been accurately clocked at more than 75km/h in a stoop. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.132.128.212 (talk) 02:53, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

I am just wondering

How is this eagle used to hunt and kill wolves? A wolves is like 95 lbs and this bird is 15 lbs. Ebaychatter0 (talk) 07:43, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Turkey

This bird is considered as a pest in Turkey and killed with bounties. It is a threat to livestock so it is shot and poisoned. Add this to article.--176.41.55.51 (talk) 19:19, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Hunting with eagles

The falconry section should be included to mention that there are currently 400 Kazakh eagle hunters in Mongolia, 50 in Kazakhstan, and a large number of Kazakh eagle hunters in China. [1] [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.91.117.4 (talk) 12:04, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://mb.com.ph/node/355358/mongolia-hunting-with-golden-eagle#.UMa7cJFX3qg
  2. ^ http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/24/world/asia/kazakhstan-eagle-hunters/index.html

Golden Eagle attacking child in Montreal video, fake.

For the record, I strongly suggest the claim in Wikipedia's article that the Youtube video showing an "eagle" swooping down to carry off a child in Montreal (source 31) should be removed as the video is a hoax. If you've even taken a moment to watch any of the other real videos of a Golden Eagle taking down large prey on Youtube you can clearly see the bird never just snatches up anything and tries to fly away with it, even if it's small like a rabbit. No matter the size of the animal, the eagle will latch onto it with its talons until it is deceased/not struggling, then if possible try to achieve flight. Unless this is a very small baby, a child when it is born nearly weighs that of an adult Golden Eagle which is about 10 pounds. Eagles cannot lift such a heavy payload with ease as the supposed eagle does in this video, almost floating there with gentle, moth-like wing beats that look completely unrealistic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marion.T.B (talk • contribs) 18:35, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Golden Eagle

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Golden Eagle's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Anderson":

  • From North American beaver: Anderson, Christopher B.; Pastur, Guillermo Martinez; Lencinas, Maria Vanessa; Wallem, Petra K.; Moorman, Michelle C. and Rosemond, Amy D. (2009). "Do introduced North American beavers Castor canadensis engineer differently in southern South America? An overview with implications for restoration" (PDF). Mammalian Review. Retrieved March 17, 2012.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  • From Seabird: Anderson, A. (1996). "Origins of Procellariidae Hunting in the Southwest Pacific". International Journal of Osteoarcheology. 6 (4): 403–410. doi:10.1002/(SICI)1099-1212(199609)6:4<403::AID-OA296>3.0.CO;2-0.
  • From Amphibian: Anderson, J.; Reisz, R.; Scott, D.; Fröbisch, N.; Sumida, S. (2008). "A stem batrachian from the Early Permian of Texas and the origin of frogs and salamanders". Nature. 453 (7194): 515–518. doi:10.1038/nature06865. PMID 18497824.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 11:35, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Hitler's use of heraldic eagle

"In perhaps one of the Golden Eagle's more unfortunate respresentations in human culture, Adolf Hitler lifted the use of eagle imagery heavily from Roman symbolism to use in various representation for the Nazi Party, including the pins worn on lapels of Nazi officers."

This may actually be a load of nonsense. Imperial Germany used the eagle, the Weimar Republic used the eagle, yes, the Nazis used the eagle, but guess what: today's Federal Republic uses it, too. I hardly see that the eagle can be identified with that era in German history in particular. The crooked cross, yes; the double-sig rune, yes; but the eagle has been Germany's symbol since the "Founders' Time". Kelisi (talk) 23:59, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

The Leporids section

"the family compromised 85.6% of the remains and in the Four Corners area (the meeting of Arizona, Texas, Utah and New Mexico) they compromised 75.6% of 660 remains in 191 nests." The Four Corners area does not include Texas. It should be Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and Utah. Slowpokey (talk) 16:05, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 July 2013

References #18 and #20 are the same and should be merged. Note that #18 has the correct spelling of the author's last name, Jollie.

71.220.148.22 (talk) 16:48, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Done. Thank you. Rivertorch (talk) 18:58, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Article reduction in size

This article is listed among the longest Wikipedia articles. I find that it is far too long for any normal reader to be able to take in. The sheer size of it is what puts the reader off. I suggest the article be split per WP:SUMMARY.

The section about various prey is ripe for reduction. All of this material should be removed to another article, with the main points summarized here. Perhaps Prey of the Golden Eagle can be started, or some other title.

Much excess detail in the article comes from talking about individual instances rather than generalities. The article could be streamlined if a general range was presented in place of a list of facts taken from varying conditions. Binksternet (talk) 22:51, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

I had already made a start on streamlining the 'Prey' section, including using ranges to replace lists of facts. A lot more could be done in this vein so that the length of the article is considerably reduced, though it is rather slow work to accomplish. I am undecided whether splitting is also necessary - it probably is, though lists of percentages still won't be very readable in smaller articles. Perhaps reduce this article first to get more readable text, then see what it looks like then? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:20, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
Sure, that's a good strategy. There's no rush. Binksternet (talk) 00:33, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Support split - Support splitting off sections such as Dietary biology of the golden eagle and "status and conservation". Thoughts? BTW, why is Eagle capitalized in the title? --Jax 0677 (talk) 03:54, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
See here for why 'Eagle' is capitalised. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:10, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Support split - The article is very large in size, and certain parts of it (like the In Human Culture section) are fit for seperate articles, so I'd say go ahead with this. Dromaeosaurus is best dinosaur (talk) 16:20, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Support split. A fine suggestion. Binksternet (talk) 17:56, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Support split. I'd tried condensing it but it's rather tedious work, so couldn't promise to finish the job any time soon. Chopping into manageable portions might make condensing (which will still be necessary) less of an ordeal. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 18:33, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Completed split. See Template:Golden eagle. I believe this resolves the length issue, as the main article is now an entirely reasonable size. This was sort of a hack job on my part, so it should receive some attention from experts, but I didn't delete any information. BearGlyph (talk) 18:28, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

I wonder whether some of the sections of this article are really all that useful, necessary, and/or encyclopedic. Examples being "confusion species", "interspecific predatory relationships", and "cainism". Could they be removed entirely and the best bits sprinkled into other sections? — ACupOfCoffee@ 20:25, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2014

The photo titled "Golden Eagles are often silent" is not a Golden Eagle - it is a Steppe Eagle (Aquila nipalensis)

Hallbeck (talk) 20:37, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

I hid the image. From what I can tell the Kuwait Zoo only has Steppe Eagles. Dger (talk) 22:01, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Not the national animal of Germany!

The golden eagle is not the national animal of Germany. The white tailed eagle or sea eagle is the national animal of Germany and the animal on the coat of arms of Germany.


http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adler_%28Wappentier%29

"Im Bundeswappen der Bundesrepublik Deutschland ist er seit dem 20. Januar 1950 staatliches Hoheitszeichen auf Bundesebene. Die offizielle Form entspricht dem Entwurf von Karl-Tobias Schwab (1887–1967), der schon ab 1928 als Reichswappen der Weimarer Republik diente.[5][6][7] Das Wappentier stellt einen Seeadler dar."

I hope someone can change that.

188.174.130.144 (talk) 19:36, 19 January 2014 (UTC)Valentin Reuber

Current link makes the assumption that use of the word "burns" must refer to wildfire areas. Link should instead be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burn_%28landform%29. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tagmo (talk • contribs) 11:35, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Tolkien's eagles

In the sub-section 'In human culture: Other', the comment 'the Gwaihir are giant eagles' needs to be changed to something like, 'Gwaihir is a giant eagle'. This is because Gwaihir is the name of an individual eagle, not the name of the breed. I'd probably also add that the ilustration is in The Hobbit, and either add a link to Bilbo or remove him.

The article's following statement is also incorrect where it suggests that Tolkien's eagles are a general means of transport for wizards. This suggestion is wildly inaccurate. In Tolkien's books, Gandalf does indeed use Eagles, but he is the only wizard who does so, and on a total of only 4 occasions in a period close to 2000 years! Cheers 203.6.146.5 (talk) 07:34, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Edit request 6th March 2014

Further to my comments in "Tolkien's eagles" above, it it not clear that the Eagle depicted is Gwaihir. I therefore suggest that the whole paragraph be amended along the following [plus the reference cited]:-

J. R. R. Tolkien used an image of a Golden Eagle to illustrate a giant eagle in The Hobbit; the image was an immature specimen in T. A. Coward's 1919 work The Birds of the British Isles and their Eggs. In Tolkien's stories of Middle-earth the giant eagles can converse with humans, and they rescue key characters on rare occasions.

Cheers 203.6.146.5 (talk) 00:10, 6 March 2014 (UTC) 

Sorry I left this tag off. Cheers. 203.6.146.5 (talk) 23:56, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Partly done: Specified that Gwaihir is the name of a single eagle. However, I left out some extra stuff about giant eagles in middle earth, don't particularly see the need for their attributes to be described in this article, that's what the bluelinks are for, added some bluelinks Cannolis (talk) 16:27, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2014

The golden eagle doesn't kill gray wolves they kill subspecies of Asian wolves

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 01:51, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Capturing a sika deer

Sika deer is a big animal (!), even a free puppy. --Krauss (talk) 00:23, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

http://paxonbothhouses.blogspot.com.br/2013/09/golden-eagle-captures-sika-deer.html

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g62/TigerQuoll/raptors/eagle-attack_zpse18939d1.jpg

A camera trap set out for endangered Siberian (Amur) tigers in the Russian Far East photographed something far more rare: a golden eagle capturing a young sika deer. Credit: Linda Kerley, Zoological Society of London (ZSL).

PS: if it is a free image, we can use here.

Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2015

The Golden Eagle is not the animal in the coat of arms of Germany! Please remove that mistake. Thank you 83.171.162.80 (talk) 19:51, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't see that the article says this. It says it was in the coat of arms for Prussia but not modern day Germany. Can you point out specifically where? Cannolis (talk) 05:52, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

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Edit request, 29 Nov 2016

"As early as recorded history, mankind was fascinated by the eagle" makes no sense. This should presumably say "As early as the beginning of recorded history". 2.24.117.17 (talk) 17:50, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

I've applied a slight modification of the proposed edit. Thanks for the suggestion. BearGlyph (talk) 19:43, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Edit Request - Golden Eagles exist in Sonoran Desert

I didn't want to edit the article directly.

I live in the Sonoran Desert and have seen Golden Eagles. I have photographs of a pair taken from my house. Arizona Game and Fish is actively tracking Golden Eagles in Arizona (see http://www.azgfd.gov/w_c/nongameandendangeredwildlifeprogram/Raptors/GoldenEagleManagement.shtml). This means reference 61 is outdated or inaccurate and the sentence referencing it needs to change.

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