Talk:Golden Age of Porn

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Article (04/16/2012) has a Skewed Perspective

Whoever wrote this article (a/o April 16, 2012) obviously did not read the supporting materials that are cited, nor did they live at the time of the event. This article is very clearly written by someone who's opinions are without the virtue of experience and tainted by a purely contemporary, factory-engendered conception of what "may have occurred" based on their retrospective look backwards... Either that, or they were there and simply missed what was going on... Stevenmitchell (talk) 10:37, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes! Shemp Howard, Jr. (talk) 21:41, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Badly written article (09/12/2013) needed an overhaul

I can't get those hours of my life back, can I? Shemp Howard, Jr. (talk) 21:41, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done - article has been overhauled and updated (01/27/2016) - should now be much better - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 23:12, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Focuses too much on USA

European porn was and still is far superior to American porn. The "Golden Age of Porn" was mainly a European age with SOME FEW American films thrown in between. France, Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Italy all lead the game. Their films are too many to list them here. 217.238.54.185 (talk) 19:04, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comments - yes - the present "Golden Age of Porn" article mainly refers to American (and/or USA) erotic films - as described in the first sentence of the lead as follows => The "Golden Age of Porn" ... refers to a 15-year period (mostly, 1969 – 1984) in commercial American pornography that began in 1969 with the film Blue Movie, directed by Andy Warhol ..." - a new separate Wikipedia article describing a similar time in European Erotic films may be possible (and welcomed by many I would think atm) - in any case - Thanks again for your comments - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 21:40, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I would question why you are so eager to gatekeep pornography in this way - "European porn was and still is far superior to American porn" is not only an opinion, it's an opinion that wildly conflicts with the reality of American dominance of the pornographic industry. Contrary to your claim, the US produced far more pornographic films back then, because a number of the countries you list had not legalized porn yet, and therefore did not produce any notable or mainstream pornographic films. It's undeniable that American pornographic film was more dominant during the 1970s - porn wasn't legal in Italy, Denmark, etc, during the 70s. 98.253.186.130 (talk) 08:22, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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"Never"

"Porn films would never again feature so prominently in the mainstream movie business,[50] until the emergence of the internet in the 1990s.[51]" That's a curious definition of the word "never", then? 86.179.78.64 (talk) 16:41, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes - agreed - perhaps better? => "Porn films would not feature as prominently in the mainstream movie business as they did in the Golden Age,^[1] until the emergence of the internet in the 1990s.^[2]" - of course an even better version of the sentence is welcome of course - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:13, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Green, Jonathon & Nicholas J. Karolides (2005). Encyclopedia of Censorship. New York, NY: Facts on File. p. 44. ISBN 978-0816044641.
^ Tongue, Stewart. "Crowdsourcing Column: Mainstream vs. Adult". AVN.com. Adult Video News. Retrieved July 24, 2014.

Euros

Wasn't something similar happening in Europe, with the Emanuelle franchise, Immoral Tales etc? Well made films with good directors and genuine production values? "Porno chic" was not an exclusively American thing. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 04:10, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There was certainly some cultural cross-pollination going on, but also real cultural differences at play: Europe didn't have the Hays Code and the Supreme Court shaping the course of its film industry. But ultimately it comes down to the usual WP answer: Are there sources that say so? -Jason A. Quest (talk) 17:42, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Most European countries did have equivalents to the Hays Code, and many European countries have a history of banning American films of the mid-century that had violent or sexual content - Sweden did it, Britain did it, Denmark did it... 98.253.186.130 (talk) 08:27, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So it was the same, but it was different? Whatever point you're trying to make, it still comes back to: WP:Reliable Sources. If there are sources that say Europe had a similar thing happening, then we say it did and provide details. If they say "but it was different too", then we include details of that. If they don't say anything, then we don't say anything. (P.S. Arguing with comments that someone left 6 years ago is probably not a constructive use of your time or this Talk page.) -Jason A. Quest (talk) 04:13, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I also note that Denmark legalized porn in the late 1960s, including some that even today is considered unacceptable. There are plenty of sources that discuss what was going on in Europe in the context of "The Golden Age of Porn". Sylvia Kristel was without a doubt a major international star. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 17:04, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear - according to the main article, "This American period, which had subsequently spread internationally,^[1] and that began **before** the legalization of pornography in Denmark on July 1, 1969,^[2] started on June 12, 1969,^[3] with the theatrical release, initially at the Elgin Theater, and later, at the New Andy Warhol Garrick Theatre, in New York City, of the film Blue Movie directed by Andy Warhol"^[4]^[5]^[6] - further - seems Sylvia Kristel, later in the mid-1970s, was a "softcore" actress, according to her Wikipedia article - and did not perform hardcore activities, at least like those currently featured in the Golden Age of Porn article - hope this helps in some way - in any case - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 19:23, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Francoeur, Robert T.; Noonan, Raymond J. (2004). "Denmark in the International Encyclopedia of Sexuality". International Encyclopedia of Sexuality. Archived from the original on January 13, 2011. Retrieved August 22, 2021.
^ Staff (May 31, 2019). "Denmark legalized pornography 50 years ago. Did the decision turn out as expected?". The Local. Retrieved August 22, 2021.
^ Staff (July 21, 1969). "Blue Movie (1969)". AFI Catalog of Feature Films. Archived from the original on September 8, 2023. Retrieved September 8, 2023.
^ Canby, Vincent (July 22, 1969). "Movie Review - Blue Movie (1968) Screen: Andy Warhol's 'Blue Movie'". The New York Times. Archived from the original on September 8, 2023. Retrieved September 8, 2023.
^ Canby, Vincent (August 10, 1969). "Warhol's Red Hot and 'Blue' Movie. D1. Print. (behind paywall)". New York Times. Retrieved December 29, 2015.
^ Comenas, Gary (2005). "Blue Movie (1968)". WarholStars.org. Retrieved December 29, 2015.

Second wave

What is the "second wave"? The article references the second-wave of porn stars, and again under producers, but does not define the term or period. Edjs (talk) 00:02, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done @Edjs: (and others) - Thank You for your comments - and question - seems the "Golden Age of Porn", between the years 1969 to 1984, was split into two waves: the "first wave" (the "porno chic" era), between the late 1960s to early 70s; and, the "second wave" reportedly "between the late 70s and early 80s"^[1]^[2] - the "main article" has now been "updated with this new clarifying sourced information" - hope this helps in some way - in any case - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 02:55, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Salucci, Mariavittoria (January 22, 2021). "The History of the Sex Wars - How feminism split because of porn". NSS/NapleStreetStyle G-Club Magazine (nssgclub.com). Archived from the original on February 23, 2023. Retrieved February 23, 2023.
^ Morrissey, Tracie Egan (November 27, 2012). "Sorry Second Wave Feminists, Porn Stars Are Actually Emotionally Stable, Self-Confident Women Who Weren't Molested as Kids". Jezeel. Archived from the original on February 23, 2023. Retrieved February 23, 2023.

What is the relevance of Denmark's pornography legalization to the main focus of the topic?

The legalization of pornography in Denmark reads like a randomly thrown in mention, especially in the second sentence of the article where there's no context explaining what relevance it has to the topic, which mainly focuses on the US industry. --2001:FB1:39:DE74:D515:FE7E:47BF:120F (talk) 07:21, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[Encyclopedia_of_Censorship-1] Green, Jonathon & Nicholas J. Karolides (2005). Encyclopedia of Censorship. New York, NY: Facts on File. p. 44. ISBN 978-0816044641.

[2014Mainstreaming-2] Tongue, Stewart. "Crowdsourcing Column: Mainstream vs. Adult". AVN.com. Adult Video News. Retrieved July 24, 2014.

[IES-2004-3] Francoeur, Robert T.; Noonan, Raymond J. (2004). "Denmark in the International Encyclopedia of Sexuality". International Encyclopedia of Sexuality. Archived from the original on January 13, 2011. Retrieved August 22, 2021.

[TL-20190531-4] Staff (May 31, 2019). "Denmark legalized pornography 50 years ago. Did the decision turn out as expected?". The Local. Retrieved August 22, 2021.

[AFI-5] Staff (July 21, 1969). "Blue Movie (1969)". AFI Catalog of Feature Films. Archived from the original on September 8, 2023. Retrieved September 8, 2023.

[NYT-19690722-6] Canby, Vincent (July 22, 1969). "Movie Review - Blue Movie (1968) Screen: Andy Warhol's 'Blue Movie'". The New York Times. Archived from the original on September 8, 2023. Retrieved September 8, 2023.

[NYT-19690810-7] Canby, Vincent (August 10, 1969). "Warhol's Red Hot and 'Blue' Movie. D1. Print. (behind paywall)". New York Times. Retrieved December 29, 2015.

[WS-2002-2005-8] Comenas, Gary (2005). "Blue Movie (1968)". WarholStars.org. Retrieved December 29, 2015.

[NS-20210122-9] Salucci, Mariavittoria (January 22, 2021). "The History of the Sex Wars - How feminism split because of porn". NSS/NapleStreetStyle G-Club Magazine (nssgclub.com). Archived from the original on February 23, 2023. Retrieved February 23, 2023.

[JZ-20121127-10] Morrissey, Tracie Egan (November 27, 2012). "Sorry Second Wave Feminists, Porn Stars Are Actually Emotionally Stable, Self-Confident Women Who Weren't Molested as Kids". Jezeel. Archived from the original on February 23, 2023. Retrieved February 23, 2023.

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