Talk:God Save Ireland

A fact from God Save Ireland appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 5 April 2004. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that "God Save Ireland" was the unofficial national anthem of the Irish Free State?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2004/April.

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"Irish Political History Series"

As with Amhrán na bhFiann, the "Irish Political History Series" should be removed as it should not be in the article - unrelated/misleading. The article is about the former (unofficial) national anthem of Ireland, not Republicanism. Objections? --sony-youth 23:57, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Relative importance of God Save Ireland being sung at Easter Rising

Disputed edit by Scolaire

I believe it is of value to include this section "During the Easter Rising on the Thursday of Easter Week there was confusion after an order to retreat, Cathal Brugha was badly wounded unable to move. Eamonn Ceannt thought him dead but then voice of Brugha singing "God Save Ireland" was heard and he crawled to the side of his comrade and Cathal said "Let us sing 'God Save Ireland'." Scolaire believes it isn't as "was sung by thousands of nationalists in similar circumstances; it is not important enough to include in this article". But doesn't mention it was sung by thousands. Which would be difficult to source!

So it would be better to include your analysis "it was sung by thousands and most memorably by ....with a source.

I do not want an edit war on this so if you want to go straight to an rFC. I contend that it as important to mention GSI was sung at the Easter Rising to complement the Dublin Lock out fact especially as the Easter Rising is NOT mentioned at all in the article. Being sung at the Easter Rising is more important than mentioning how the melody of GSI (sic) was adapted by Tartan Army given that the melody was from the Tramp Tramp Tramp melody in the first place! The Tramp Tramp Tramp melody and its allusion to the Irish Brigade and Deasy and Kelly having relevance to the actual lyrical content concerning the Manchester Martyrs.Davdevalle (talk) 16:15, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I take your point about the Lockout. I'll add a "citation needed" to that, and add back a brief mention of the Rising and Cathal Brugha, though my preference would be to have both removed. Not enough is made of the fact that the song was the unofficial national anthem of Ireland, and was sung whenever there was a political or cultural meeting, and whenever rebels trained or fought. Cathal Brugha's choice of song was not therefore remarkable, although the story is worth telling in Brugha's own article. The same goes for the Dublin workers.

I agree with you about "Ally's Tartan Army". Probably that whole Sport section should be moved to the Tramp! Tramp! Tramp! article, as it's only the tune that was used.

As to this edit, most of it does not come from the cited source, but from the blog from which this edit was taken. Hence I am stripping it down to the bare bones. Scolaire (talk) 16:56, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you on most of this. Can you take it further on how it was the unofficial national anthem? In my own, albeit, clumsy way I was trying to note that with a sourced instance, ie the Cathal Brugha rendition, from the Easter Rising. I have been told that it was also sung in the Post Office but to just put it without a source is unwise. On Tartan I am not sure if there is unconscious or conscious appropriation of the melody. I would have thought there would be knowledge of the tune via GSI from the Celtic fans. Not the same as The Sash and deliberate lyrical change of the versions of that melody Irish Molly O but again football fans are in that article. So I would keep the reference here. Is there a specific article on Republican ('Rebel') and Loyalist songs?Davdevalle (talk) 08:27, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The kind of thing I have in mind is the Bureau of Military History witness statement of Elizabeth Bloxham (p. 3 of the pdf, p. 1 of the actual statement) where she says, "Being Protestants...it was just taken for granted that we joined in the singing of 'God save the King' at the end of our concerts and temperance meetings just as we took it for granted that the local brass band played 'God save Ireland' and 'A nation once again'." I'm sure it's said more elequently in some of the secondary sources, but it's that sense of the ubiquitousness of the song in early 20th-century nationalist Ireland that needs to be brought out more in this article.

There is an article on Irish rebel music, but it's not very good. There is neither an article nor a category for loyalist songs. Perhaps that's something that needs to be addressed. Scolaire (talk) 20:35, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sound file

The sound file that was added in this edit (File:God save Ireland.ogg) varies so much from the melody of the song as to be almost unrecognisable, as well as being in the wrong tempo. I have removed it. I have also removed the entire infobox because "an unofficial anthem for Irish nationalists" is not the same thing as "the national anthem of the Irish Republic". Scolaire (talk) 17:16, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]