Talk:Glikeriya Bogdanova-Chesnokova

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Why I commenced to add the article about this actress

This actress has some unclear perions in own biography. And the unclear periods are very interesting Soviet history periods.
She was very famouse in the Soviet Union and still famous in the countries which were formed after the Soviet Union collapse.
Can be very interesting book and movie about she and Soviet Union period as she was involved in the most interesting organisations and events.

Theatrical education

LONG TIME I HAVE NOT KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE IT IN THE ARTICLE. THE DOWN TEXT MENTIONED IN PLENTY SOURSES AND IS NOT CLEAR:

This educational course was incredibly stellar, fantastic. It entered the theatrical encyclopedia - ten future People's Artists, very famous artists: Michail Tsarev, Nikolai Cherkasov, Yuri Tolubeyev, Nikolai Simonov, Alexander Borisov, Yelizaveta Uvarova, Boris Chirkov, Konstantin Adashevskiy, Vasili Merkuryev and Glikeriya Bogdanova. Their friendship stretches across a lifetime.^[1]^[2]^[3]

REALLY THERE ARE NOT EVERY PERSON FROM THIS LIST HAD EDUCATION IN DRAMATIC SCHOOL. IN ONE SOURSE MENTIONED THAT ALL MENTIONED PERSONS WERE TEACHERS OF LIKA BOGDANOVA AND IT IS IMPOSSIBLE AS THEY WERE THE SAME AGE ABOUT. I HAVE TO INVESTIGATE IT AND DESCRIBE HERE AS IT IS INTERESTING MOMENT.

I FOUND OUT THAT THE DRAMATIC SCHOOL AND PLENTY OTHERS ARTIST'S SCHOOLS WERE COMBINED IN ONE NEW Russian State Institute of Performing Arts IN 1922. THIS INSTITUTE HAD INCUDSE PLENTY COURSES AND ALL ABOVE MENTINED PERSONS COULD BE THERE DURING PERIOD FROM 1922-1924. SOME SOURSES MENTIONED THAT LIKA BOGDANOVA CONPLETED EDUCATION IN DRAMATIC SCHOOL IN 1922, AND SOME OF THEM MENTIONED THAT COMPLETION OF EDUCATION WAS IN 1924, AND SEEMS SHE DID NOT COMPLETE THIS INSTITUTE DUE TO HAD SMALL BABY.

IF WE COMBINE ALL ABOVE MENTIONED, WHE HCAN TO SAY THAT LIKA COMPLETED DRAMATIC SCHOOL IN 1922 AND CONTINUED EDUCATION IN Russian State Institute of Performing Arts. BUT, DUE TO SHE WAS PREGNANT AND HER CHILD WAS BORN IN 1922 (seems the second part of 1922) SHE COMMENCED EDUCATION IN INSTITUTE AND SEEMS HAD NOT COMPLETE IT (EDUCATION STOPPED IN 1924. AS I CHECKED OTHER PERSONS FROM THIS LIST THE EDUCATION HAD TO BE 5 YEARS - IT IS MEANS THAT SHE HAD TO BE STUDIED FROM 1920 (can be from 1919) TO 1924. SEEM SHE VISITED Russian State Institute of Performing Arts CLASSES BUT DID NOT COMPLETE IT FINALY. Грищук ЮН (talk) 08:25, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

ONE BY ONE

WILL CHECK EDUCATION OF EACH ABOVE MENTIONED PERSON.

Lika Bogdanova was born in May 1904 and it is means that all mentioned persons could not be her teachers in RUSSIAN DRAMA SCHOOL or in UNIVERSITY. You can check by the dates of berth - everybody was young to be teacher.

Michail Tsarev (1 Dec 1903 - 1987)

He studied in RUSSIAN DRAMA SCHOOL in Petrograd (teacher of his class was Y.M.Yuriyev) in 1919—1921 years. During the education he entered the troupe of BIG DRAMATIC THEATRE in 1920.

It is means that he could know LIKA BOGDANOVA in RUSSIAN DRAMA SCHOOL in Petrograd in 1920 (or 1919) - 1921 years.

Yuri Tolubeyev (1 May 1905 - 1979)

There is no any biography information from 1919 to 1926. But he was born in Saint Petersburg (later Petrograd)).

It is means that he could know Lika Bogdanova or in RUSSIAN DRAMA SCHOOL before 1922 or in University from 1922.

I will continue later Грищук ЮН (talk) 08:56, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bolshiviks sexual revolution and Lika Bogdanova. Incident with Shalyapin.

It is mentioned in plenty sources that she and Nikolai Cherkasov were in love. Also in her biography (plenty sources write it) mentioned that both were studied in RUSSIAN DRAMA SCHOOL in Petrograd. But in Nikolai Cherkasov biography did not mentioned that he was studied in RUSSIAN DRAMA SCHOOL. Seems both continued education in Russian State Institute of Performing Arts, but in various classes. This Institute was formed in 1922. But Lika Bogdanova biography has nothing about Russian State Institute of Performing Arts.

Lika Bogdanova met V. Vasilchikov in 1922 and their daugter was born in 1922 - it is mentined in plenty sources.

How it is can be? If the school was add in 1922, seems the education commenced in late summer or in outomn. If their daugter was born in 1922 and during 1922 she was pregnant. Seem the love betweet Lika and Nikolai Cherkasov commenced after the birth of child.

To understand her relations between both men I have to explane about Bolsheviks Sexual Revolution which mostly had influence to the members of Communes and Lika was a member of PetroCommune (Commune in Petrograd).

I commenced to explain about Bolsheviks Sexual Revolution, but it were deleted. Can be better to write separate article "Bolshevik's Sexual revolution"

Also can be that Lika and Nikolai Cherkasov were in love before 1922. But in here biography mentioned that both were studued in RUSSIAN DRAMA SCHOOL in Petrograd and Nikolai Cherkasov biography mentioned that he was studied in other school. The sexual relations between girl and boy were permited (able) when she was 17 years old and more. It is means that both could be in love from May 1921, when she was 17 years old.

It can confirm the Lika members regarding Nikolai Cherkasov, she and Shalyapin, - it is about smowballs on scene. But Shalyapin was from 1920 to April 1922 out of Petrograd and in April 1922 he was short time in Pertrograd and leaved Russia finaly. This incident could be during the snow season in 1919-1920 or end of 1920 as the spectacular with the Shrovetide episode was in one spectacular with Shalyapin and this spectacular commenced in 1920. And it could not be in April 1922 as snow was absent in April already.^[4]

But in biography of Nikolai Cherkasov and Shalyapin nothing about Lika and snowballs accident.

Stalin Prize

In one source (can be more) mentined that she was Laureate of Stalin Prize in 1947. But she was not famouse during that period and she is absent in the list of Laureates of Stalin Prize in 1947. Can be she was an applicant to be Laureate of Stalin Prize in 1947 only. But why?

Грищук ЮН (talk) 09:45, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] IMDb Mobile site >> Glikeriya Bogdanova-Chesnokova. Biography.

[ГБЧ_Б-2] Кино-Театр.Ру >> Гликерия Богданова-Чеснокова >> Биография

[КС_КМ-3] Капков Сергей: "Короли комедии - Гликерия Богданова-Чеснокова".

[4] Вражья сила (опера)

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