Talk:Glenn Dubin

COI and Advertisement Tags

After trimming a lot of excessive and unreferenced material, I think we can remove the Advertisement tag. In addition, the COI activity is from 2010, not sure if any of that material remains at this point. Thoughts? BelBivDov (talk) 01:40, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Request edits to Intro, Early Life and Career sections

Hello. I work for Glenn Dubin and I would like to request updates and corrections on his Wikipedia biography page. My requests are as follows:

1. In the introduction please:
   • Change 'is a billionaire hedge fund manager and former Principal of Dubin & Co. LP,' to 'is a billionaire American businessman and the principal of Dubin & Co. LP,'. The current sentence is incorrect; Dubin is not a hedge fund manager, and he is currently the principal of Dubin & Co.
   • Please remove the last sentence: "In August 2019, unsealed documents revealed connections between Dubin and Jeffrey Epstein, including allegations of involvement in his child abuse ring." Having this in the lead gives "undue weight" to these allegations. In a long career spanning many decades, this story is a blip in his career history. In addition, according to WP:Recent, although these allegations may be currently newsworthy and unfortunately 'scandalous', the lead should include only information that is of long-term, historical significance. This information should be confined exclusively to the section of the article that discusses the allegations.
2. In the early life section:
   • Please remove the word "Jewish" from the first line. It is mentioned later that Dubin's father was a "Russian Jew" and one mention of Dubin's ethnic roots is enough.
   • To the last line of this section please add the sentence and source: In 2012 Stony Brook awarded Dubin an honorary doctorate for his contributions to the field of finance.
3. In the Career section:
   • Please add the words and new sources: "for 1.3 billion." right after the sources that come after the words "a majority interest in Highbridge".
   • Please remove the last sentence of the third paragraph that comes right after the new words that you just added. After adding "for $1.3 billion" this sentence is now redundant.
   • In the next paragraph that begins "In July 2009," add the words "until 2013" right after "Highbridge's chief executive." and right before the full-stop and the source.
   • Remove the last two sentences and sources from this paragraph. The following sentences add unnecessary detail to the overall biography as well as adding no useful information pertaining to Dubin's career story. For clarity, remove the following: "By 2011, Dubin was sharing responsibilities for managing Highbridge with Todd Builione and Scott Kapnick. By 2013, Glenn Dubin had "handed control" of Highbridge to Scott Kapnick a former Goldman Sachs banker, but continued to work in the firm's New York offices."
   • Directly after the last paragraph that begins "In 2013," add this sentence and source: "Leadership of the company was transferred to former Engineers Gate President Greg Eisner."
   • Add the following new paragraph after the last paragraph: "In 2015, CCI acquired Morgan Stanley's Global Oil Merchanting business, creating one of the world's largest independent energy merchants. Dubin was the non-executive chairman, and remains a member of the board of directors and the firm’s lead shareholder.
4. I am requesting the merger of the Investments section into the Career section with some small changes. It is more logical for everything to be considered as part of Dubin's career.
   • Move the first sentence from the Investments section to the Career section as a new paragraph below the paragraph that begins "In 1992," and ends "for $1.3 billion".
   • Move the second sentence from the Investments section, leaving out some of the details, below the section that begins "In July 2009," and ends "until 2013.": "In 2012, Dubin, along with a group of global investors acquired Castleton Commodities International, LLC ("CCI"), (formerly Louis Dreyfus Highbridge Energy.)

References

Thank you very much for all your help, AP for Dubin (talk) 13:59, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

@AP for Dubin: According to Manta, his wife is the Principal of Dubin & Co., LP. Manta link Do you have a reference that he is still a principal? --Funandtrvl (talk) 19:04, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

FINRA source, in addition to EF Hutton, he worked for Lehman Brothers, Audobon Securities and Highbridge, but does not currently hold a broker's license. Also had 1 customer complaint on 12/19/1989, that went to arbitration, and customer was awarded damages. --Funandtrvl (talk) 19:24, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Funandtrvl. First of all, thanks for coming here to help. I hope the following answers your questions/concerns about my edit request.

• The Manta page that says Glenn Dubin's wife is the principal is a mistake. She never played any role at Dubin & Co.
• Dubin & Co. and Glenn Dubin are not required to register with FINRA because the company is a small family office.
• The proof that Glenn Dubin is currently the principal is here. I believe it is OK to use this source according to WP:ABOUTSELF.

Please let me know if you have any other concerns or questions, and thanks again for your help. AP for Dubin (talk) 13:37, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

 Done With this and this edit. 15 (talk) 21:17, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Lead, Career and Personal life sections

Hello, I work for Glenn Dubin, and the following are several edits I would like to request.

• In the first sentence of the lead section, please replace "manager" with "founder" and take out the word "former" - he is still the Principal of Dubin & Co. In the second sentence the word "also" is unnecessary, and should be removed.
• Please remove the last sentence in the lead ("He was one of the close associates of the renowned sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein"), per WP:COATRACK and WP:UNDUE.
• In the Career section, 7th paragraph, add to the end of the last sentence: "In January 2020, Dubin announced he was retiring from the hedge fund industry after four decades to focus on his private investments through his family office, Dubin & Co."
• In the first paragraph of the Philanthropy section, in the second sentence, please change $2 billion to $3 billion.
• Please remove "and sexual assault allegations" from the "Personal life" heading. Adding that phrase is a violation of WP:CSECTION.

References

Thanks so much. AM for Dubin (talk) 13:15, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

• I don't think it reads right to say that he is a "billionaire hedge fund founder". After all, we say explicitly what he founded later in the paragraph.
• The Epstein material has been limited to what is supported by reliable sources.
• Will update: is supported in existing source.
• $2b updated to $3b, with source

Macrakis (talk) 21:35, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Even if it's supported by RS it still violates UNDUE and COATRACK. This is the article lead! Aaron Liu (talk) 22:53, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

 Partly done: AFAIK you don't "found" a hedge fund. The rest is  Already done . Aaron Liu (talk) 22:56, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Epstein connections

I have no connection to Dubin or to Epstein. WP:BLP says that we must be particularly careful to avoid original research and that we must remove poorly sourced contentious material. The section beginning "unsealed documents" is full of innuendo and WP:SYNTH. The Rizzo material talks about what Maxwell did, but says nothing informative about Dubin, only that the Dubins took her back to Sweden. There is one accusation by Giuffre that Maxwell "directed her to have sex with" Dubin, but there is no accusation against Dubin. --Macrakis (talk) 14:08, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Early life, Career, and Personal life sections

Hello, I work for Glenn Dubin and I would like to request some updates and corrections to this article.

• In the Early life section, please remove the phrase “a Russian Jew” from the third sentence. Harvey Dubin was born in the United States. This source supports that fact. https://www.institutionalinvestor.com/article/b151369m0plbt2/inside-highbridge
• In the Career section, please remove this sentence from the third paragraph, as it is inaccurate and it repeats what is stated in the previous sentence: The Financial Times reported in 2006 that JPMorgan paid Glenn Dubin "an estimated $1bn in 2004" for his majority stake in Highbridge Capital Management.
• Please add the following sentence to the Career section above the paragraph that begins “In 2006, Highbridge invested…:

Between 2004 and 2007, Highbridge grew to over $35 billion in assets under management. https://www.reuters.com/article/jpmorgan-highbridge-privateequity/highbridge-taps-kapnick-to-start-private-equity-arm-idUSN0447175320070604

• Please move the following sentence found in the next to last paragraph of the Career section to the end of the Career section so that it is placed in chronological order, and add the words "and philanthropy" to the sentence, so it reads as follows: In January 2020, Dubin announced he was retiring from the hedge fund industry after four decades to focus on private investments and philanthropy through his family office, Dubin & Co.
• In the Personal life section, please change the first sentence to: In 1994, Dubin married physician Eva Andersson-Dubin. The couple have three children.
• Please remove the following sentence, as it is non-encyclopedic and irrelevant: He first saw Eva on the New York Post's Page Six in a modeling photo.

Thank you for your assistance, AM for Dubin (talk) 13:20, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

 Partly done: I did everything except adding "and philanthropy", which is unsourced, and removing the sentence, as you have not demonstrated how it is unencyclopedic or irrelevant. Aaron Liu (talk) 01:05, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Aaron Liu for your edits. I am sorry I did not include a source to support the addition of "and philanthropy" in the fourth bullet point above. The following source in the Financial Times says "In an internal memo to staff seen by the Financial Times, Mr. Dubin said he was retiring from the hedge fund industry to focus on philanthropic projects and his family office…"

I also apologize for not explaining what I meant by irrelevant and unencyclopedic. I believe that while the sentence in question about how Dubin "first saw Eva" is likely factual, it doesn't contribute to a reader's understanding of the subject as described at WP:NOTGOSSIP and WP:BLPGOSSIP, especially: "Celebrity gossip and diary: Even when an individual is notable, not all events they are involved in are." Thanks again for your quick and helpful response. I look forward to your thoughts on this. AM for Dubin (talk) 14:09, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm afraid that article is locked behind a paywall, so I can't verify that that quote is in the article. I don't believe that fact is gossip nor do I think that it is excessive trivia. Aaron Liu (talk) 00:08, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Aaron Liu, thanks again for looking at this. I think these guidelines and content can be a bit subjective, so would it be ok if you or I reopened the request in case another editor would be interested in weighing in? Thanks again. AM for Dubin (talk) 13:13, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I think you should ask the Wikipedia:Help desk instead of reopening. There are 111 other articles in the CAT:COIREQ backlog, so you likely wouldn’t get an answer just from reopening. Aaron Liu (talk) 13:28, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much Aaron Liu for your advice. I want to express my appreciation for your quick and helpful responses. AM for Dubin (talk) 13:04, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

 Partly done: I've added the "and philanthropy" as I was able to access the provided citation through my university. I concur with Aaron Liu on the other requested change, however, so did not remove the sentence. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:16, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much Presidentman for your quick response and help. AM for Dubin (talk) 13:37, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Improve NPOV

Hi. I would like to suggest several edits to improve the neutrality of the Dubin and Jeffrey Epstein section. The explanation for my edits is found directly below the following proposed text:

There are several connections between Dubin and Jeffrey Epstein. Epstein invested $10m in Dubin's hedge fund, Highbridge Capital Management, and introduced Highbridge to JPMorgan in 1999. Epstein had dated Dubin's wife, Eva Andersson for nearly a decade starting in the 1980s and the Dubins continued to maintain a friendship with Epstein, including after Epstein's arrest for sex trafficking in 2006. In 2015, Virginia Roberts Giuffre alleged in a civil lawsuit against Ghislaine Maxwell that Maxwell had "directed [her to] have sex with" Dubin and half a dozen prominent men. Giuffre did not allege that she had in fact had sex with Dubin. In 2022 Giufre voluntarily withdrew her lawsuit against Alan Dershowitz, saying she might have been mistaken about his identity.

Explanation: I've revised the second sentence to be more neutral and accurate. Similarly, the phrase “close friendship” is subjective; I’ve removed the word "close" to keep things factual. The details involving vacations and travels are gratuitous and not supported by the source, and have been removed in my version. I've also added that the lawsuit was a civil suit, which is important context, as well as the fact that Dubin was not singled out, but instead was part of a group Giuffre accused. This enhances the entire understanding of the circumstances. I included an update at the end as well.

References

I am pinging Macrakis who has helped with this in the past. Thank you. AM for Dubin (talk) 16:59, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

I have made some of your suggested changes. I don't have access to the WSJ, so can't check the facts supported by that article. Connecting the Dershowitz claims to the Dubin claims would be original research. --Macrakis (talk) 13:41, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Macrakis for implementing most of my edit request. I wonder if you could implement the second sentence if I supply the direct quote from the Wall Street Journal article? For your convenience I have re-posted the edited version of the second sentence of the paragraph and included the quote from the WSJ:

Epstein invested $10m in Dubin's hedge fund, Highbridge Capital Management, and introduced Highbridge to JPMorgan in 1999.

Thanks again, AM for Dubin (talk) 12:47, 30 October 2023 (UTC) AM for Dubin (talk) 12:47, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

@AM for Dubin: I don't think the $10m figure adds anything useful to the article. Is it "only" $10m? "fully" $10m? Seems like a rat hole. --Macrakis (talk) 16:01, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Remove statement

Hello. In the next to last sentence in the "Dubin and Jeffrey Epstein" section, please remove the following phrase: "and Epstein testified that he and Maxwell told her to." This statement is solely based on the following primary source: [1], which incorrectly stated that Epstein said 'yes'. The following link is to the the court order to strike the deposition document from the record. I am pinging Macrakis who has edited this page in the past. Thank you. AM for Dubin (talk) 14:43, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Done. --Macrakis (talk) 15:59, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Macrakis. AM for Dubin (talk) 01:15, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Restoration of previous language

Since October 2023, the section called "Dubin and Jeffrey Epstein" has gone through several major edits. As a result, in February 2024 the sentence has become less neutral. To restore the original neutrality, could you please change just the one sentence below to the way it was written in October, as follows: Remove this:

In testimony in Virginia Giuffre's 2015 civil suit against Ghislaine Maxwell, Giuffre testified that Maxwell instructed her to "have sex with Glenn Dubin". There was no testimony as to what Giuffre actually did.

And restore it back to this:

In 2015, Virginia Roberts Giuffre alleged in a civil lawsuit against Ghislaine Maxwell that Maxwell had "directed [her to] have sex with" Dubin and others. Giuffre did not allege that she had in fact had sex with Dubin or make any other claims against him.

Reaching out to Macrakis, who added the original sentence in October. Thanks so much. AM for Dubin (talk) 14:54, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Frankly, they seem equally neutral to me. They both report that Giuffre made an allegation against Maxwell (but not against Dubin). They both report that there was no testimony about what Giuffre actually did. The clause "make any other claims against him" is reporting something that didn't happen ("the dog did not bite the man"), which is a bit WP:SYNTH.

We could cite the Vanity Fair article, which says "the Dubins categorically deny Giuffre’s allegations", but it's not clear what that means. How could Dubin know whether Maxwell "directed" Giuffre to have sex with him? There is no allegation that she did have sex with him, so what exactly is he denying? I think expanding this section is giving undue weight to what is essentially speculation. --Macrakis (talk) 16:17, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your in-depth response Macrakis. I appreciate you taking the time to explain your point of view. All the best, AM for Dubin (talk) 15:32, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi Macrakis. I took another look at this and believe, for context and accuracy, the words "and others" should be added so that the sentence reads: "In testimony in Virginia Giuffre's 2015 civil suit against Ghislaine Maxwell, Giuffre testified that Maxwell instructed her to 'have sex with Glenn Dubin' and others." The source, Vanity Fair, mentions several people Giuffre named in her testimony, not just Dubin. The way the sentence is written now is a misleading description of her testimony, as it sounds like she was singling out Dubin, which she was not. Thanks for your consideration. AM for Dubin (talk) 14:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

OK, seems reasonable. Macrakis (talk) 15:17, 7 March 2024 (UTC)