Talk:Glasvegas

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This article was nominated for deletion on 2008-01-23. The result of the discussion was keep.

Page Cleanup

Fellow Users. I am going to initiate a cleanup of the page and the article it relates too and try and answer some questions posed.
As it stands this page some entries on this as a whole contribute nothing to Wikipedia. Please let me know if anyone objects!
I deleted the "Dross" entry on this page as it cannot be substantiated and is an opinion.

(DanScot1970 (talk) 00:06, 14 February 2014 (UTC))[reply]

Notability

These guys are very notable. Please don't delete them again. User: Johnthepcson
The music community is getting very excited by this band. They have a myspace, http://myspace.com/glasvegas, and the two sources, the bbc articles, are just some of the noise that is being made about this band. This band was important in 2007 and I'm sure they will continue to be in 2008. This band is notable enough to have its own wikipedia article, and even though my editing of this article is shoddy to say the least, it still doesn't take away from the fact that this band is srsly important. User: Johnthepcson

How are "Glasvegas" notable? Look at the laughable articles on all their singles - more extensive than articles for songs which actually WERE enduring, popular hits. Sycophantic garbage or the work of the band themselves - article best deleted. 82.3.66.55 (talk) 00:45, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion from January came to a different conclusion. If you don't think they meet the notability criteria, you could try another AfD. --Onorem ♠Dil 14:50, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree: I've just seen Glasvegas at Concorde in Brighton. I was reminded of terrible gigs in the '80s, pretending I was having a good time, praying for an imagined Indie scene that was still years away. I've just witnessed the most fraudulently hyped, self-regarding, pseudo, pastey-faced caledonian cack-fest I've had the misfortune to waste money on in years; and as Gordon Jackson nearly said in the Finefare adverts from that era, "many a mackle makes a mickey-take". Clearly Brighton lends itself to the singer's whinge that we're southern onanists for not appreciating their one-trick dirge. But seriously mate we didn't hate you because you're scottish (I am), or even because you're a transparently cod glasgow geezer, who's about as hard as the gel you use to stack your malevolent coxcomb. We hated you because you can't handle someone laughing at your shades, or your splendid portfolio of six J and Mary Chain rip-off songs. Safe journey! Shetlandmahaime (talk) 00:44, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You obviously don't like them but the fact you've just seen them live just helps to demonstrate their notability - it doesn't make a case for deletion of the article. They are also (at the time of writing) at #16 in the UK Singles Chart. They are notable whether you like them or not. Citizensmith (talk) 23:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strange really. Just because a band isn't to your liking doesn't necessitate a deletion. (StevenEdmondson (talk) 20:37, 17 July 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Well they are going to beat Metallica to #1 this weekend so all you who said they are not notable are totally bell ends.

"Well they are going to beat Metallica to #1 this weekend so all you who said they are not notable are totally bell ends." Wrong on both counts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.96.75 (talk) 10:25, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RS vs WP:V

I tried sourcing the statement about the first single (Gonna Get Stabbed), on the only website i could find it on which was a Blogger page. This got removed because it wasn't an RS, but there are no other reliable sources. In this case, should the information not be removed in line with WP:V, "Wikipedia isn't about truth, its about Verifiability"? --^{SteelersFanUK06} ReplyOnMine! 12:02, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that to be so, hence why I removed ;) If this was notable it would have been written about by a reliable source. Given the NME's support for the band, I'm surprised they haven't mentioned it. --JD554 (talk) 13:13, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

you haven't removed it, you've removed my source, which is a different arguement. My point is that WP:V states that if the information can't be sourced by a reliable one then the information should be removed. See what i mean? --^{SteelersFanUK06} ReplyOnMine! 15:07, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I do know what you mean, but I don't see it. This is the revert I made. The article no longer mentions the cost of the CD. --JD554 (talk) 15:16, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry i didn't explain myself very well. I added the line about the price to source that and the CD's actual existence, which isn't particularly well told. Do you have a source to say the CD actually existed (Which i know it did just trying to bring it into Wikipedia terms) --^{SteelersFanUK06} ReplyOnMine! 15:19, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

←Ah, I get what you mean now - I thought the reference was citing your addition about the cost of the CD. WP:BURDEN states Any material lacking a reliable source may be removed, but editors may object if you remove material without giving them sufficient time to provide references. So I think it would be better to simply tag it with {{fact}} for the time-being, as from what I've seen on blogs etc, it is pretty likely to exist. But if a reliable source can't be found within about a month then remove it. --JD554 (talk) 15:29, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorted then, i agree. I'll stick the tag in if it isn't already. Cheers --^{SteelersFanUK06} ReplyOnMine! 15:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, that was my blog page, I agree it wasn't a good enough source, I'm surprised it was linked to, I just noticed on my stats. I came across the single on ebay, the decent source you're looking for is probably the earliest versions of www.glasvegas.net archived on the wayback machine on archive.org, which mention it. The first news item on that archived site, if I recall correctly, from 2004, is that HMV in Glasgow had agreed to stock the single in question due to public demand. Scatterkeir (talk) 02:57, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info, that looks a good enough source. --JD554 (talk) 08:08, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good effort on the source guys! Do you think that there's any way we could access the picture that is on the archive? It comes up as a dead link :( --^{SteelersFanUK06} ReplyOnMine! 11:12, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I shouldn't think so, the wayback machine seems to be hit and miss about what images it saves. --JD554 (talk) 12:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If it had the cover, we could begin work on a song page, or is it non-notable enough? --^{SteelersFanUK06} ReplyOnMine! 13:15, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it would be the criteria at WP:SONG#Notability --JD554 (talk) 14:07, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

←Well surely they are only as notable as the rest of the singles? --^{SteelersFanUK06} ReplyOnMine! 14:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

With the possible exception of Go Square Go!, they have all either "ranked on national or significant music charts" as per WP:SONG#Notability or, in the case of It's My Own Cheating Heart That Makes Me Cry, have "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" as per WP:GNG. --JD554 (talk) 15:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Flowers & Football Tops

Where has it been announced that Flowers and Football Tops will be a single? I know that they performed it on The Sunday Night Project but would like to know format details. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.5.241.139 (talk) 08:22, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This was a single. The third from their debut album.

(DanScot1970 (talk) 00:06, 14 February 2014 (UTC))[reply]

Rockbjörnen Awards

Just wanted to say that Rockbjörnen means something like The Rocking Bear in Swedish, and when you put "the" in front of it, the word gets a double article and looks a bit funny. So instead of writing "The Rockbjörnen Awards is an annual..." I'd just write "Rockbjörnen Awards is an annual...". --Mathias-90 (talk) 22:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Ross?

Is there a reference as to the claim that Ryan Ross of Panic At The Disco was their original drummer, as I have never heard this before, and I find it quite hard to believe. If anyone knows a source for this it would be good, otherwise I think it should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.76.76 (talk) 13:55, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Ryan Ross article has no mention of Glasvegas, and his career history makes it sound improbable. I've removed it - I suspect that there just may be more than one "Ryan Ross" in the music business ;-) Cheers, TFOWR^{This flag once was red} 13:59, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above paragraph is inaccurate. Ryan Ross was the original drummer of a band containing Robert Allan and James Allan and they had just become Glasvegas. At that time they were a three piece band. He left soon after this. This was verified by James Allan at a impromptu street performance in Glasgow. (DanScot1970 (talk) 00:06, 14 February 2014 (UTC))[reply]

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Name etymology—need verifiable sources one way or the other

The current statement about the etymology of the band's name was added in a single edit and has never been cited AFAICT. Prior to that edit, the etymology was given as a portmanteau of Glasgow and Las Vegas (also uncited); the text added in that edit specifically refutes that etymology. Does anybody know for sure (verifiably)? I want to add it to the list of band name etymologies, but it does not deserve to be added until it can be proven. – PointyOintment ❬‽ · ✍❭ 02:13, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]