Talk:Gilford (surname)

Language origin

Unsure about the recent change in description from English-language surname to Irish-language surname. Neither version is referenced but the "ford" element looks like same word as "ford" in English which is an Old English word. None of the notable Gilfords listed have Irish ancestry mentioned in the articles about them. I'm going to revert the change but if you object please discuss here. Tacyarg (talk) 15:25, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

• Agreed. It's some anonymous IP editor(s). Will readd "English-language surnames" and reference. I'm assuming it is the same disruptive user that has been doing this for well over a year. ExRat (talk) 23:08, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Language origin

Gilford is a surname of Irish descent I have this surname and I am from County Kerry in Ireland. Additionally there is a place in Northern Ireland called Gilford which is a village in County Down,Northern Ireland. As <ref>Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:D101:A001:3186:5C6C:C5D4:9EDB (talk) 17:58, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

• It is an English-language name, from Guildford in Surrey. As you may know, many Irish people have English-language surnames or surnames of English-origin. It is absolutely NOT an Irish-language surname. If you are Irish and studied the Irish language in school, I have a feeling you'd be aware of that. The town of Gilford in County Down is called Áth Mhic Gioll in the Irish language (translated as "Magill’s ford" in English). It was renamed "Gilford" by British settlers after Captain John Magill. Also, stop disrupting the page with your edits. ExRat (talk)

Anglicisation

There is no evidence to suggest that Gilford is a surname that has undergone the process of anglicisation.I have this surname and I am of both welsh and Irish descent. 2A00:23C6:D101:A001:1457:1715:25A4:C304 (talk) 17:35, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

• Are you trying to be serious? That is absolutely not an Irish-language name. It is of English origin. Plenty of Irish people have English-language surnames. Even someone with a passing knowledge of the Irish language could tell you that is not an Irish-language word or compound word. ExRat (talk) 22:31, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Anglicisation

To recent editor you are completely and utterly wrong about this being an English language surname you come across both very ignorant and uneducated. Listen I have this surname and I have no English ancestry I have 3 grandparents from Ireland and one from Wales. Stop making disruptive edits and justifying by saying there is a place in England called gilford that isn’t even spelt the same way however in County Down Northern Ireland there is a place actually called gilford that is spelt the same. You have no knowledge of this surname and I believe your edits are both disrespectful and unjustified. 2A00:23C6:D101:A001:1457:1715:25A4:C304 (talk) 08:42, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Personal knowledge isn't enough - you will need to provide a reliable source to support your claims. lavender|^{(formerly HMSSolent)}|lambast 08:50, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

If you need help in citing a source, have a look at this guide or this beginners' guide. lavender|^{(formerly HMSSolent)}|lambast 09:01, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Firstly, the Irish language name of Gilford in Northern Ireland is Áth Mhic Giolla. So, the town's name of Gilford IS an anglicisation. Áth Mhic Giolla = Irish language. Gilford = English translation, anglicisation. Secondly, Áth Mhic Giolla is translated to "Magill’s ford". The name is derived from "Magill’s ford" after British Captain John Magill who acquired the land after the Irish Rebellion of 1641. This is all referenced on the town's Wiki page. The surname of Gilford is derived from Guildford in Surrey. Referenced on the page. Stop vandalizing the page and removing references. ExRat (talk) 17:34, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Gilford Surname

Gilford Irish: Áth Mhic Giolla Gilford is an Irish surname. Additionally there is a place in Northern Ireland called Gilford which is a village in County Down, Northern Ireland. The village sits on the River Bann between the towns of Banbridge, Tandragee and Portadown. It covers the townlands of Loughans, Ballymacanallen and Drumaran. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:D101:A001:EDC4:DE39:A5C1:A6B4 (talk) 11:27, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi again. Are you able to provide a link to the source? lavender|^{(formerly HMSSolent)}|lambast 16:12, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Nationality of surname

I have stated numerous times that this surname is Irish it has no links to England.I know this personally I have three Irish grandparents and one Welsh grandparent. This is an Irish surname the surname doesn’t even sound English you are spreading false disinformation by saying it’s english when it’s clearly not. Stop making unjustified, disruptive edits to this page please! 2A00:23C6:D101:A001:A8A6:9190:BE2E:B907 (talk) 17:31, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Firstly, the Irish language name of Gilford in Northern Ireland is Áth Mhic Giolla. So, the town's name of Gilford IS an anglicisation. Áth Mhic Giolla = Irish language. Gilford = English translation, anglicisation. Secondly, Áth Mhic Giolla is translated to "Magill’s ford". The name is derived from "Magill’s ford" after British Captain John Magill who acquired the land after the Irish Rebellion of 1641. This is all referenced on the town's Wiki page. The surname of Gilford is derived from Guildford in Surrey. Referenced on the page. Stop vandalizing the page and removing references. Also, "doesn’t even sound English". Do you even seak Irish? You think "Gilford" is an Irish language word? ExRat (talk) 17:36, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Disruptive edits

Stop making disruptive edits to this page gilford is an Irish surname it is very common in Ireland as referenced by both Forebears and user submitted surname.It is not a common surname in England not even in top 1000 surnames. If you are editing stop making references to suit your argument it’s spreading disinformation.Make sure your argument is two sided and well justified in order to be balanced and understanding to see both sides.Thank you. 2A00:23C6:D101:A001:A8A6:9190:BE2E:B907 (talk) 17:51, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello 2A00:23C6:D101:A001:A8A6:9190:BE2E:B907, please use sources. --Serols (talk) 17:59, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Compromise

Shall we agree that this ends here please! From my ancestry I genuinely believe that this surname is Irish. I have no english ancestry so why are you saying it’s a surname of English origin can you please answer me this? 2A00:23C6:D101:A001:A8A6:9190:BE2E:B907 (talk) 07:42, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

That's nice, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. "All content must be cited from reliable sources that are unconnected with the subject and have a reputation for fact checking." I'm afraid your personal skills as a raconteur don't meet that requirement. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 21:08, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

ExRat editor

You are completely and utterly wrong you come across very uneducated and very ignorant stop now stop being a tosser gorger. 109.156.207.206 (talk) 08:25, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

I have no idea what a tosser gorger is, so it will be difficult to work on not being one. No one is saying that you have English ancestry. We are saying that the surname Gilford is of English origin. As I have stated above, many Irish people have English surnames. That doesn't necessarily mean that they have English ancestors. Many Irish people have surnames of English origin because their surnames were anglicised, or took or were given English surnames. An example of an anglicised surname is Lynham. The Irish language origin of the name is Ó Laigheanáin. Some Irish people have surnames such as Fox or Brown or Wilson, which are all English in origin. It doesn't mean they have English ancestry. It simply means they were given or took these surnames during British colonization. Perhaps your Gilford ancestor took his name from the town of Gilford in County Down. But, as I stated above, the town was named after British settler Captain John Magill. The Irish language name of the town is Áth Mhic Giolla. ExRat (talk) 08:28, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

also, please see WP:CIV. ExRat (talk) 08:31, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Editors

Stop spreading disinformation gorger look it up you might realise what I am gilford is definitely an Irish surname to say it’s not is simply untrue. Your explanation is t suit your side of the argument but you are not bothered about my personal account which I believe is more justified and relevant to all the people I share the name with.I am very proud of my Irish ancestry stop trying to say otherwise. 2A00:23C6:D101:A001:A8A6:9190:BE2E:B907 (talk) 08:42, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Unless your personal account includes some references, it's meaningless on Wikipedia. ExRat (talk) 08:43, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Change the origin

Now or else🇺🇸 2A00:23C6:D101:A001:C8A4:F890:675:623F (talk) 18:00, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2022

It’s both English and Irish thanks 2A00:23C6:D101:A001:CD94:B910:70C4:4FC2 (talk) 17:56, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:12, 12 June 2022 (UTC)