Talk:Gigi Hadid/Archive 1

Archive 1

Add Ethnicity

1. Models' ethnicities are highly relevant. People want to know what mix or lack of mix created such a look.

2. She is half Dutch, half Palestinian. http://mondoweiss.net/2015/12/palestinian-details-refugee/ She will be listed as what she identifies as.

3. Why not half Israeli? Yes, I understand that technically her father was born in 1948, a few months after Palestine turned into Israel. However, take this hypothetical situation: Gigi's father is hypothetically born in 1948 Palestine (a few months *before* it was Israel), is a Jew, and identifies as Israeli; Gigi, in turn, identifies as Israeli. Would we be having a discussion about why Gigi should be half Palestinian and her father should be called Palestinian since he was technically born in Palestine? No, we wouldn't. We'd call him Israeli, no questions asked, and anyone that did question it would be an idiot.

Enough with the nonsense. She is half Palestinian, and identifies as so, and half Dutch; her father is a Palestinian, which is an ethnic group not limited or bound by the borders of Israel.

4. Notice, on the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians page, that the populations of non-pre-1948-born Palestinians, and even foreign (non-Palestinian, non-Israeli born) born populations are listed as 'Palestinians' and not 'Israelis', as it is obviously not a requirement to be born in 1948/pre-1948 Palestine to be considered Palestinian, and born or raised in another country does not erase ethnic identity.

ADD ETHNICITY ASAP. Stop warring.

Political2002 (talk) 21:33, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

People come to Wikipedia because they are interested in ethnicity. Providing ethnic background under early life is an important part of this page. Please open editing — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcharters92 (talk • contribs) 17:38, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

MOS and BLP vios

An anon IP has been edit warring so quickly and determinedly to revert to MOS vios (placing footnotes in infobox for things that can be footnoted in article) and BLP vios (making blatantly uncited persona-life claim about a living subject's family, specifically siblings) that I can only make a note of his 3RR vios after he already went over 3RR. I have since warned him, I have contacted an admin about page protection, and I am going to the 3RR Noticeboard. --Tenebrae (talk) 16:54, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

He continues to compound his edit-warring, removing a cite that he had improperly placed in the infobox and then not placing it in the article body, keeping a raw URL rather than the properly cited URL, and continuing to make uncited claims about a living person's siblings in defiance of WP:BLP. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:10, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

I have cited every detail with a ref, and improved her infobox to look more Wikipedia-esque and plain professional. 109.64.38.239 (talk) 18:12, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Discuss it here, achieve consensus, THEN the article can be changed. Even if you think you are right, you ARE editwarring. Thank you. --‖ Ebyabe ^talk - Union of Opposites ‖ 18:17, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Block evasion?

That blocked anon IP appears to have returned as the SPA 79.179.166.109]. I have go to that IP's talk page and informed him that when reverted, per WP:BRD he should discuss his proposed edit on the talk page. I noted that this is not an article about her father, so where her father was born is irrelevant. He appears to be a sock-puppet of the blocked IP 109.64.38.239, judging from his edits' similarity to this one of his.--Tenebrae (talk) 19:59, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Gigi Hadid's father was born in Nazareth, Israel

Cited sources approving her father was born in Nazareth, Israel:

1. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/155013#.VdDqZ5eZCf5

2. http://ethnicelebs.com/Gigi-Hadid

According to Wikipedia, and the UN, Nazareth is a legitimate Israeli city.

Gigi's father identity is relevant to Gigi's biography, but user Tenebrae keeps on reverting due to obvious biased POV. 79.179.166.109 (talk) 19:56, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

We have two cites giving the father's ethnicity as Palestinian-American and his occupation as a real-estate developer. Anything beyond these basic identifiers about a non-notable parent is irrelevant in an article about his model daughter. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:01, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

It is relevant and you know it.

That's why you do leave her mother's birth location (Netherlands) even though she is living in the USA for decades.

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We give her nationality, just as we do her father. We do not give her birth city. Additionally, she is independently notable with her own Wikipedia page.

You have violated 3RR, and in addition appear to be a sock-puppet of another account. I will be filing a 3RR report now. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:08, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Just admit Tenebrae that you're edit warring solely because of biased POV. 79.179.166.109 (talk) 20:24, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

What bias are you talking about? I've explained that irrelevant, detailed background about the non-notable parent of an article subject is WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Please explain yourself. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:28, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

You [Tenebrae] just admitted that her mother's birth location is relevant, and then told us that her father birth location isn't. It's pretty obvious to any Wikipedia editor that your opinion is biased. 79.179.166.109 (talk) 20:30, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

What is the bias, specifically? --Tenebrae (talk) 20:35, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Numerous sources show Hadid's father was born in 1948 in Nazareth, Israel. My suggestion is that he be referred to in this article as "Israeli-born" and not Palestinian-American. Israel became a state in 1948. "Palestine" was no longer the designation of the country by 1948. If Hadid's mother can be referred to in the article as "Dutch-born" there's no reason why her father can't be referred to as "Israeli-born". -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 20:19, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

He refers to himself as Palestinian, the way an Italian born in New York will refer to himself as Italian or Italian-American. And we already said that for parallel structure and to avoid confusion between ethnicity and nationality we can refer to Yolanda Foster as Dutch-American.

Additionally, a disinterested third-party editor an admin made very clear that you are to stay away from me, the way I stay away from you. Your flouting that to come here is being knowingly disruptive and bullying. --Tenebrae (talk)

She's not an administrator. Anyway, back to the subject: he refers to himself as a Palestinian but isn't. He was born in Israel. Therefore, the compromise here is to refer to him as Israeli-born OR to not refer to her mother as Dutch-born. The IP editor is correct that one without the other isn't really acceptable. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 20:31, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Collapsed off-topic discussion #1 -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 02:58, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Whatever the case, you've been asked to stay away from me, as I do you, and your refusal to do so, your delight in needling me, is bullying. Stop hounding and harassing me. The man gives his ethnicity as Palestinian. Who are you to naysay him? Bruce Willis was born in Germany — that doesn't make him German. And I've already made a suggestion for a simple, uncomplicated rewording to "Dutch-American" which you blithely choose to ignore. So you really want to do an ANI for your hounding and harassing me when you've been asked not to? Fine. Come back here and take another poke at me, deliberately to incite me to get angry and say something untoward that you can use as a bludgeon against me. You've said your piece. Now stay away from me. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:38, 17 August 2015 (UTC) Saying he's Palestinian is one thing -- he can say he's Palestinian-American all he wants and we can provide reliable sources to verify it. But he was born in Israel, therefore he is Israeli-born. Does Hadid's mother refer to herself as Dutch-American? We often add place of birth for parents into BLPs, so I'm not sure why saying "Israeli-born" is a problem. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 20:44, 17 August 2015 (UTC) Wow. Fine. When I have time later today, I'm opening an ANI about your coming at me over and over and over again, and attacking other editors as well. Advocating for a complicated overdtail about a non-notable person who is not the article subject is WP:INDISCRIMINATE, and in in this case adds a layer of explanation involving ethnicity and birth place that is completely unnecessary for someone who is not the article subject. When even the editor originally advocating for this has stepped back, your continued attacks on me is sheer bullying.--Tenebrae (talk) 20:48, 17 August 2015 (UTC) Well, actually, it's not over-detail as there has been issue in the press previously about Hadid's father being Palestinian and there was a question over whether the magazine that featured her on the cover was acting "pro-Palestinian". I had assumed that was the reason why the detail was included in the first place, especially since one of the references regarding his ethnicity was to that very claim. That in mind, I don't think WP:INDISCRIMINATE applies. Also that in mind, I think adding Israeli-born (in addition to the fact that "Dutch-born" for the mother is included) is warranted. I'm just trying to help smooth out and sort out the issues that got the article full protected. Obviously, when the protection expires, the same problems will exist. Better to get it sorted out beforehand than to see another edit war ensue. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 20:54, 17 August 2015 (UTC) You're only here because you were told to depart the 3RR noticeboard for going there solely to attack me, and so since you can't do it there, you come here. You never edited this article, and it's clear you take delight in needling me like you did the last time, waiting for me to get angry and say something. I find that the behavior of a sadistic bully, and one who hides behind a claim that may or may not be true that you see as your get-out-of-jail-free card. Her father's birthplace has nothing to do with Gigi Hadid — and his and her mother's ethnicity only do insofar as it explains Gigi's ethnicity. That's all that's necessary. But I can see you're going to come here again and again just to needle me because you've gotten your kicks that way before and you're getting your kicks that way now. --Tenebrae (talk) You stated, "one who hides behind a claim that may or may not be true that you see as your get-out-of-jail-free card." Exactly what is that supposed to mean? -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 21:37, 17 August 2015 (UTC) Any further discussion between you and me will be at the ANI.--Tenebrae (talk) 21:55, 17 August 2015 (UTC) Whatever. You owe me an explanation for that comment. Hopefully you will address it there (if and when you file a report). If you do not, then I will still need an explanation. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:04, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

I have removed the disputed content regarding her parents' nationalities and ethnicity. If we can't agree on having both in the article, it seems best and like a good compromise to have neither. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 23:41, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

I support WV. Either fully write about both her parents' ethnicities or remove them altogether. 79.183.113.164 (talk) 00:59, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

That doesn't mean we rid the article entirely of anything that mentions "Palestinian". You have been edit warring and behaving disruptively to make a point. That's just not okay. Please stop. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 01:04, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

I have also deleted anything that mentions "Dutch". 79.183.113.164 (talk) 01:10, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Page protection has been requested. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 01:11, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

I agree with 79.183.113.164's removal of ethnicity from the infobox. That parameter may be significant to some people's notability in some instances, but not to Gigi Hadad's. She's a California model and doesn't make a point of her ethnicity. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:43, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Collapsed off-topic discussion #2 -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 02:58, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

I guess you missed that not only has the ethnicity and ancestry of the article subject been removed by the IP, but anything that says "Palestinian" -- even within references -- has been removed. That's disrupting Wikipedia to make a point. Anyone who is copying and pasting another's edit summary when it doesn't apply is editing disruptively to make a point. This is not about winning, Tenebrae. If you want to have a lifelong beef with me, fine. But don't blindly support disruptive editing just because you don't like me. Personally, I never thought you would stoop to that kind of behavior as it is apparent you care about the quality of what goes into Wikipedia. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 01:53, 18 August 2015 (UTC) Enough with the attacks. I am so tired of being insulted by you, and I'm surprised you haven't resorted to cursing me with your favorite curse word. You say yourself, "I guess you missed that not only has the ethnicity and ancestry of the article subject been removed by the IP, but anything that says 'Palestinian' -- even within references -- has been removed," which is exactly the case. Clearly, I only mentioned the infobox because that's all I saw. But you leap to conclusion because of what many editors besides me call your "battleground mentality" — which I from gathering content for the ANI. So don't you dare make baseless accusations about me "stooping" to this or that behavior. May I remind you that you are blatant liar: To avoid an interaction ban, [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive865|you said], "I also know that I can avoid interacting with Tenebrae without a formal/official interaction ban." And yet at least three times after that you came onto my talk page or to a 3RR report I filed. So don't talk to me about "stooping" to low behavior, you liar. I'm fixing the edit to the cite. The ethnicity still absolutely does not belong in the infobox because it has nothing to do with her notability. --Tenebrae (talk) But it does. And one of the cites that has been in the article for sometime shows how it does. As far as insults - when did I insult you? You seem to be VERY thin-skinned and take umbrage at pretty much everything. You are very detail-oriented (which is a good thing) and that's why I thought you couldn't have possibly missed what this IP was actually doing, and precisely why I thought you were ignoring it just to make a point and to win. It's now quite obvious that your hatred for me has completely blinded you to sense and reason. Calling someone a liar is not a personal attack? If you recall, you also said something over a year ago about avoiding me. That didn't stop you from responding to me numerous times at 3RR, it didn't stop you from responding to me numerous times here, it didn't stop you from following me to RPP. Should I also call you a liar? I could, but I won't because that would be wrong. You are a good editor, Tenebrae, but you really seem to have a problem with your temper and anyone you think doesn't appreciate you. Well here's the story: I appreciate your attention to detail, I appreciate that you are a good editor, and I appreciate that you want to do the right thing by Wikipedia. But your inability to just shrug things off at times is going to be your continued nemesis -- not any of the editors you don't like -- but your behavior when you get in this kind of "mode". Now, can we please get back to making the encyclopedia better and stop with the petty back and forth? I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks,-- WV ● ✉ ✓ 02:11, 18 August 2015 (UTC) You don't get to lie and then take umbrage and someone calling you a liar. It's not a personal attack when it's a factual statement — as opposed to the numerous times you hurled f-bombs at me, and falsely accusing me now of "stooping" to low behavior. I will say this: During any of our previous arbcoms, ANIs, whatever they were, when I see your edit summaries, I see exactly the kinds of edits I would make, and I see you tell disruptive IPs the same sorts of things I tell them. I will state here and now on the record that I think you, too, are a good editor. I have collected numerous instances, however, of editors in official proceedings saying you hound them and attack them as well — so for you to imply that it's just me in some "mode" is far from the truth and I can document it. But ... since we both have the same goal of making the encyclopedia better, how about this: Once this article is out of the way, you stay away from me and I stay away from you. I haven't gone to articles you edit( to the best of my knowledge without exhaustively looking it up); indeed, I'm pretty sure I stopped editing Bobbi Kristina Brown once I saw you editing there, if memory serves. Now, I spent part of the evening tonight collecting evidence for the ANI. I would just as soon not go to the trouble of going through that or an IBAN. But I can and I will if I need to. There is no need for the two of us to interact. I would ask you live up to "I also know that I can avoid interacting with Tenebrae without a formal/official interaction ban." --Tenebrae (talk) 02:23, 18 August 2015 (UTC) And as a show of good faith, I'll go amend my page-protection statement. --Tenebrae (talk) 02:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC) I'm not the one who has a problem with my temper around you, Tenebrae. You are the one who has a problem with their temper around me. I haven't come back time and again posting more comments after saying I wasn't going to post anymore. That's all you. It is, therefore, on you to make the effort to avoid me, not the other way around. I haven't gone out of my way to be rude to you, I haven't gone out of my way to call you names. I haven't said anything like, "one who hides behind a claim that may or may not be true that you see as your get-out-of-jail-free card." Whatever it means, I'm not certain, but I have a good idea -- and it's really wrong for you to have said that. Further, I certainly haven't threatened an AN/I after saying "I have collected numerous instances...saying you hound them and attack them" and then use that as a bargaining chip in addition to wanting me to make a promise to keep an AN/I from happening. Another editor tried something similar to that with me a couple of months ago. Let's just say it did not end well for them. Sorry, but I'm not going to make promises to you to keep you from filing an AN/I. I have more respect for myself than that. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 02:38, 18 August 2015 (UTC) "Let's just say it did not end well for them" ... are you threatening me? And saying you're going to keep hounding me out of spite? Fine. I tried to end this peacefully, but you have what other editors call a battleground mentality. --Tenebrae (talk) 02:45, 18 August 2015 (UTC) No, I'm not threatening you. I don't do that. I'm telling you what happened when someone did essentially what you are saying you will do: trade something for not going to AN/I. And, no, I have no intention of hounding you, ever. I never have. And never will. Because I don't do things like that. The only one here with a battleground mentality (at least where I am concerned) is you. Everything I say, you take the wrong way, the ugly way. I can't help you with that -- only you can make a change in that area. If that's something you want to do. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 02:53, 18 August 2015 (UTC) You have hounded me: Aside from involving yourself for no reason in a 3RR I had filed against an anon IP who blatantly went over the bright line, you came unsolicited and certainly unwelcome to my talk page on Dec. 2 [1] and and Dec. 4 [2] after having said that you wouldn't interact with me. And apparently hound others as well: This year so far, at least two other editors have also accused you of "hounding" them — their word [3], [4]. Another talks about your "battleground mentality" [5]. Even admin Bbb23, who doesn't particularly care for me, said this year that your "reaction to this report [against you] evinces at best a lack of maturity, defensively attacking the filer when Winkelvi is in the wrong." [6]. That's just this year so far. I could find more. So many people say that you behave horribly, yet you refuse to consider for even a moment that perhaps you might be any bit in the wrong whatsoever. I offered an olive branch, saying that rather than ask admins to enforce your promise of non-interaction with me that we could agree to it between ourselves like gentlemen ... and in response you threaten me? I don't know what need you have to keep coming after me and interacting with me. But it's apparently a need: There are millions of Wikipedia articles and thousands of editors. You don't have to interact with me. Yet you choose to. Why? Why? Why? --Tenebrae (talk) 21:14, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 21 August 2015

Gigi Hadid is a Deutsch-Palestinian model. Adamjakees (talk) 13:17, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

PALESTINIAN

False. Gigi has never lived in the Palestinian territories. Her American father was born in the Israeli city of Nazareth which makes Gigi an Israeli-Arab descendant.

Gigi's American mother is Dutch-born, and Gigi's stepfather is Canadian.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.182.8.187 (talk) 11:36, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Gigi Hadid is an American model. Wikipedia only mentions nationality when it is integral to a person's notability. This is a California-born-and-bred model, not Yakov Smirnoff, whose comedy and notability are based on his Russian heritage.--Tenebrae (talk) 14:48, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:14, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Gigi is not Israeli, she is Palestinian. In a tweet, asking where her father is from, she responded from Palestine. Her Vogue cover features her holding the magazine of when an Israeli moden was on it to make some political statement between Israeli and Palestinian relations. She is Palestinian. SOURCE: https://twitter.com/GiGiHadid/status/294103955867312128 68.118.202.114 (talk) 19:22, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Regardless, that has no bearing on what she's notable for. See WP:NATIONALITY and comments above. And in point of fact, cultural heritage and nationality are two different things. Her father is Palestinian culturally, born in Israel nationally, and none of that has any bearing on Gigi Hadad's notability as a California born-and-bred model. We don't giver her mother's nationality, either.--Tenebrae (talk) 19:39, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

I never wrote '...a Palestinian-American model' or '...Dutch-American model' or anything along those lines anywhere in the page. I wrote that her dad is a 'Palestinian real estate...' and her mom is a 'Dutch...' I don't see the problem in adding that? Other pages include what their parents' ethnicity are in a subtle way just like here. Or alternatively, we could write she is of Dutch and Palestinian ancestry, like other pages. How's that? 68.118.202.114 (talk) 21:10, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Her nationality has nothing to do with her notability. She's not like Russian-American comedian Yakov Smirnoff, where his ethnicity is part of his notability. And the back-and-forth edit-warring between nationalists on both sides of the Israeli-Palestinian issue both claiming they're correct (like below) was making the article volatile and unstable. In contentious, controversial cases like that, where it's not critical to notability, we leave it out. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:15, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Gigi Hadid's father was born in Nazareth, Israel

Cited sources approving her father was born in Nazareth, Israel:

1. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/155013#.VdDqZ5eZCf5

2. http://ethnicelebs.com/Gigi-Hadid

According to Wikipedia, and the UN, Nazareth is a legitimate Israeli city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.182.8.187 (talk) 11:34, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

See my comment above. And please stop treating Wikipedia as a soapbox. --Tenebrae (talk) 14:49, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2015

Gigi also became the face of top UK highstreet fashion brand Topshop for their Autumn/Winter 2015 campaign. 143.117.17.184 (talk) 20:34, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 22:25, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

She has no functioning official website as indicated by the referenced links, not even a google search of varations on that link brought up anything204.210.138.50 (talk) 04:03, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

I've added the archive link for the sake of posterity. Note that I tried 2015-dated archives, and this February 2014 archive was the first I found with a working link to her IMG portfolio. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:11, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Keep an eye on an article title

It was subtle and went unnoticed since 21:36, 6 October 2015, but an anon IP who hasn't returned since being blocked for a week on October 7 truncated / censored the verbatim, actual title of an article for evidently his own political POV. The AnnaMarie Houlis article cited in the references is titled Gigi Hadid Opens Our Eyes to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. Anon IPs have vandalized the references by removing "to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict". We've had to protect this article more than once from anon IP vandals doing this. If they come back again to try to truncate/censor a verbatim title, perhaps we'd need to ask for very longterm protection. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:38, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2016

Gigi Hadid starred in Zayn Malik's Pillowtalk music video.

210.187.217.57 (talk) 05:40, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 08:34, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

PILLOW TALK

please add in the career section that gigi features in the music video for the british singer zayn's single, pillow talk. pillow talk was released on 29 jan. source: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/zayn-malik-pillowtalk-music-video-watch-one-direction-gigi-hadid-sex-flowers-a6841051.html --86.4.37.106 (talk) 17:53, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Protection tag

Can we add the {{pp-protected}} tag so people can see this article is semi-protected? 92.4.96.96 (talk) 14:18, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Possible pictures

These are some possible pictures

• https://www.flickr.com/photos/135504457@N06/26718608522 Listed as public domain
• https://www.flickr.com/photos/evarinaldiphotography/20348114811 Listed as some rights reserved
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Guess_store_in_Sydney.jpg Possibly crop the section with her in it
• https://www.flickr.com/photos/disneyabc/22832549377 Some rights reserved
• https://www.flickr.com/photos/disneyabc/14022707611 Some rights reserved

Please add if possible 92.4.96.96 (talk) 14:29, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 June 2016

Can we please add

through whom she claims descent from Daher Al Omer, Prince of Nazareth and the Sheik of Galilee.

or

through whom she claims descent from [[Zahir al-Umar|Daher Al Omer]], Prince of Nazareth and the Sheik of Galilee.<ref name="Instagram BGCeKtcFKTE 30 May 2016">{{cite web|author1=Mohamed Hadid|authorlink1=Mohamed Hadid|url=https://www.instagram.com/p/BGCeKtcFKTE/|title=Missing my mother today. God bless you Khair Fahoum Daher Hadid my Princesses of Nazareth the great grand daughter of the great ruler ..Prince of Nazareth and the Sheik of Galilee.. Daher Al Omer ...|publisher=[[Instagram]]|accessdate=16 June 2016|language=English|date=30 May 2016}}</ref>

after where it says her father's name in the Early Life section please? 62.64.152.154 (talk) 21:33, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Exceptional claims require exceptional sourcing. Anyone can claim to be descended from royalty. This has to be supported by reliable secondary sources. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:34, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  ^B E _C K ^Y _S A ^{Y L} E _S  08:37, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

I have come with better sources.

• http://archive.fortune.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1989/07/31/72291/index.htm
• http://digital.modernluxury.com/article/The+Radar+People/453793/0/article.html

62.64.152.154 (talk) 16:47, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template.  ^B E _C K ^Y _S A ^{Y L} E _S  08:20, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

"Partner" parameter in infobox

The partner parameter at Template:Infobox model is not for dating couples but for unmarried spousal equivalents. As the documentation has it

• spouse = marriage | name | start | end
• partner = unmarried life partner; use Name (1950–present)

--Tenebrae (talk) 22:46, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

The subject of this article

... has clearly indicated a desire to connect with here Arabic roots as refs such as [7], [8], [9], and many other sources indicate. 92.19.180.85 (talk) 10:33, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Gossip mongering

With this diff a veteran editor Hullaballoo Wolfowitz deleted the relationships and dating history of Gigi as it was "gossipmongering". I think these are legitimate and noteworthy relationships that should be included, and so I have reverted the edit. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 15:58, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

You are editing against consensus. It is well-established that Wikipedia BLPs are not repositories for catalogs of gossip about celebrity "relationships", hookup histories drawn from "celebrity journalism" sources, and similar content absent a showing of significance with regard to the article subject's genuinely notable activities. As Jimbo Wales said in a related debate, wikipedia should not "chronicle every single twist and turn of celebrity romances".]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_86#BLP_gossip] You also reinstated an obvious BLP violation with regard to the claims regarding Zayn Malik; a report of a single date in 2015 cannot possibly sustain the assertion of a more-than-year-long "relationship". The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 16:16, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

So is your problem with the fact that the relationships of the celebrity are mentioned or the number or quality of the sources? These problems have different solutions. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 16:21, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

The significance of the reported relationships isn't established, and the supposedly current one isn't supported, as written, by the cited source. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 22:04, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

What do you mean The significance of the reported relationships isn't established? The relationship is what is significant. The current one is supported by the source as it literally states that they are dating. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:34, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

I would say that in cases where the involved parties themselves state that a relationship occurred, that this by definition is not gossip-mongering. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:08, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Looking through it, Hadid's representative personally confirmed the relationship with Cody Simpson, though not the dates or other specifics. So that, too, is fact and not gossip-mongering.

The Jonas quote to the Daily Mirror (not Mail Online) is actually vague — he talks about an unnamed woman "moving on", but that could be taken out of context and doesn't confirm anything.

The Malik cite also is from "unnamed sources" and is, indeed, gossip-mongering. I'm going to restore a trimmed version of the Simpson information, but the two purported relationships do need better citing if they're going to be used. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:11, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Missing Content

Great article, although there seems to be some career content missing as well as personal information missing. For example, Hadid hosted the American Music Awards in 2016. Her relationship with Zayn Malik from One Direction is also missing. All of your references seem to be very legitimate, which is difficult to do for a celebrity as well known as Hadid. Again, I would recommend adding additional content about her personal life. Amandapg (talk) 03:17, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

• Her hosting the award show is already mentioned in the article. And about her relationship with Malik, you may add that if you find a RELIABLE source. Mymis (talk) 10:11, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Relationship with Malik

I think her relationship with English singer Zayn Malik is notable, as they have been dating since 2 years ago, appeared together on the cover of Vogue, and done a Versus (Versace) campaign as a couple, thus it surprises me that there's no mention of him on this article. There are enough reliable sources available for adding a few sentences to the section "Personal life". I just wanted to discuss it first to make sure that no one opposes this change. Keivan.f^Talk 19:47, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

You might want to look at #Gossip mongering which was from the beginning of this year. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:12, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

They’ve broken up now but I think it should be mentioned in the personal life section, it’s notable and not just a short fling Emily (talk) 22:54, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2019

Please add Partner(s): Zayn Malik (2015–2018) in infobox bio, as it seemingly fulfills the criteria for Partners "If particularly relevant, or if the partner is notable; 'partner' here means unmarried life partners (of any gender or sexual preference)." to match the information on Zayn's page. Thank you. Etasheta (talk) 21:40, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Melmann 17:39, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, but the relationship and its time span is reliably sourced in her personal life section . I requested a change on Zayn's page as well (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zayn_Malik), to have non-spousal partners removed and was informed that because the relationship was well sourced, both were notable and sourced reliably in the Personal Life section, therefore she should be listed as a Partner in Zayn Malik's infobox, which seems reasonable to me. For consistency therefore, using the same sources in her personal life section, Zayn should also be listed as a partner in Gigi's bio. Thank you. Etasheta (talk) 03:13, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

References

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. –Davey2010^Talk 11:19, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Please add Partner:Zayn Malik (2015-2018) in infobox. Reliable sources:
http://www.vogue.com/article/gigi-hadid-zayn-malik-vogue-august-2017-cover-celebrity-style
https://www.eonline.com/news/920411/gigi-hadid-and-zayn-malik-break-up-after-2-years-of-dating
https://pagesix.com/2018/06/06/gigi-hadid-confirms-zayn-malik-reunion-on-social-media/
https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a25736671/gigi-hadid-zayn-malik-second-breakup/ Etasheta (talk) 20:34, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done Using the vogue and elle sources as the others are concidered unreliable. --Trialpears (talk) 20:25, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Gigi is Muslim

According to this article: http://www.lifeandstylemag.com/posts/gigi-hadid-muslim-140985 . Not only she celebrates some Muslim holidays but also her sister Bella claims that their father Mohamed "He was always religious, and he always prayed with us," meaning her and her sister, and then she said "I am proud to be a Muslim.". Should be mentioned on Gigi's Wiki in some way. Cheers. 79.180.111.69 (talk) 10:56, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Religion of Muslim cebs is not included, only Jewish people can over identify on Wikipedia. --169.0.4.22 (talk) 14:45, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

The above comment is absurd and is bordering on islamophobic.Candy bling1 (talk) 16:22, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2020

Gigi Hadid is Muslim (under personal life). Reference: https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a32683477/gigi-hadid-zayn-malik-muslim-power-couple/ 49.193.150.249 (talk) 05:19, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

 Done P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 19:33, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

"On-again, off-again"

While the sources linked in the "Personal life" section do describe Hadid and Malik's relationship as on-again, off-again, is this still encyclopedically relevant/correct to state in the article, as they are presumably in a long-term relationship and have a child together?--Bettydaisies (talk) 05:51, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2021

I want to add Gigi Hadid's child's name. They called to the child Khai. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.116.57.53 (talk) 09:31, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2021 (2)

Gigi Hadid is a Palestinian American model Yara800 (talk) 19:48, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Seagull123 Φ 23:45, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2021

In the Relationship section of the article (4.1) In September 2020, Hadid gave birth to their daughter, change it into In September 2020, Hadid gave birth to their daughter named Khai,. Citations are https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/gigi-hadid-baby-name-khai-b900723.html and https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a34141707/gigi-hadid-zayn-malik-baby-girl-name-khai/ Jebanykk (talk) 20:35, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Volteer1 (talk) 20:45, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@ Jebanykk @ Volteer1 I don’t agree that their child should be named, per WP:BLPNAME and general Wikipedia precedent to not name children who aren’t notable in their own right.--Bettydaisies (talk) 23:10, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

@Bettydaisies: You're correct, I think. I've reverted that edit. Volteer1 (talk) 04:22, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Gigi Hadid Friend

Gigi Hadid is mostly known for being best friends with Kendall Jenner Gigileblanc (talk) 15:32, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2021

77.91.132.40 (talk) 13:45, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

her father is mohammad hadid and he's from palestine

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:21, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Relacion

Zayn no es su socio es su pareja Salomebulfon (talk) 18:35, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2021

{{subst:trim|1=

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 18:47, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Relatives edit

Gigi's brother is Anwar Hadid - currently Bella is listed as her only sibling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boylecolin212 (talk • contribs) 23:13, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2022

For the Gigi Hadid Wikipedia page, the top lines only read that she is an American model. It should be clarified that she is an American born Palestinian. 76.78.51.139 (talk) 01:57, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Changing the nationality listed in the lead is contentious, and should be discussed first. Generally we'll just the nationality provided in most of the reliable sources. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:09, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Gigi

Gigi 49.204.221.65 (talk) 03:50, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

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Misinformation

There is a comment stating that Chronic Lyme Disease is “ Pseudoscience. “ this is incorrect, invalidating to the thousands of suffering patients similar to long Covid. It’s a real science and a real disease that hasn’t had the money for research to be learned more about and taught to doctors. Many bacteria are know scientifically to for biofilms and dormant phases to evade the bodies immune system along with the immune systems inflammatory reaction to antibodies causing a Myriad of symptoms. Gigis own mother had this and would likely be hurt reading her page. I am a physician assistant and have also suffered this disease. It’s real not “pseudo” so in the very least cut that part out to not sound so jerky and condescending and stop spreading misinformation. There are 100s of tick and borrilea species we can’t even test for and patients are told it’s all in their head wJen really we need to get our heads out of our asses and listen to our suffering patients. Miche2266 (talk) 02:16, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

As it turns out, the underlying reference to “chronic Lyme” was an unreliable source so I have removed that portion and updated the fundraiser citation to a reliable source. Innisfree987 (talk) 04:04, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2023

2603:9001:8500:8515:C525:A2C3:6962:10EC (talk) 23:59, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

She has a brother called Anwar Hadid. Same parents.

 Done M.Bitton (talk) 01:32, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Supermodel status

Gigi Hadid is known as a model in the american google.I would like to suggest to use the supermodel status with her because it would be more correct. It is written: Gigi Hadid is an American Model and I would suggest: Gigi Hadid is an American Supermodel because it would be more correct.Also her weight and height should be updated because she is a model.Thanks for the time Maria1718182 (talk) 20:44, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Vogue

she has made over 40 vogue covers Maria1718182 (talk) 20:48, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 March 2023

Jelena Noura "Gigi" Hadid (/ˈdʒiːdʒiː/ JEE-jee; born April 23, 1995) is an American supermodel and television personality. Maria1718182 (talk) 21:05, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 22:22, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Gigi Hadid's relatives

is there any wiki page for Gigi's other relatives? Maria1718182 (talk) 21:58, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2023

Must add information on her current stand on Israel and Gaza. She has made clear anti semetic remarks against Jews and Israel. 24.15.64.200 (talk) 21:53, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 21:57, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12788731/Gigi-Hadid-anti-Semitic-Israel-Ahmed-Hassan-Mansara.html 46.121.17.27 (talk) 07:38, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

The WP:DailyMail is not a WP:Reliable source. Innisfree987 (talk) 07:51, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Criticism section

As there are multiple topics either missing from or dispersed in the article(racism, antisemitism, legal issues), I would like to collect them within one point. Is there an argument against that? FortunateSons (talk) 15:14, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Suggested edits are generally available in either English or another language, so this is mostly quality improvement and translation, not entirely new content. FortunateSons (talk) 15:16, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Please read WP:CSECTION. Innisfree987 (talk) 18:03, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much, I would like to correct my request: the creation of controversy-sections (racism, antisemitism) as outlined in the article. Is one or two preferable due to the similarities and differences of the incident? FortunateSons (talk) 19:38, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

As CSECTION advises, "Sections or article titles should generally not include the word 'controversies'." Instead negative material should appear in the entry where it is relevant; generally attempts to focus all negative material in one section are at odds with the requirement for neutral point of view. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:31, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

So one section on racism and one section on antisemitism? Should I stick with the format mentioned in the Article? or is another method preferable? FortunateSons (talk) 11:02, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Possibly but only if there is so much reliably sourced material on those topics that it is of equal significance to other section headers in this entry like career and activism. (That seems very unlikely to me.) Depending on the available sources, perhaps a subsection or simply an addition without a header—if these claims can be reliably sourced at all. At this point I would suggest you use Template:Edit semi-protected to propose the changes you want and receive feedback on the specifics, rather than continue to discuss in hypotheticals. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:47, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Also please note that WP:BLP policy applies to talk pages as well as mainspace. You need to provide reliable sources for the allegations you’re making or they will be reverted. Innisfree987 (talk) 07:57, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Is there something specific that should be added to my semi-protected edit? FortunateSons (talk) 14:39, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

I will, thank you! FortunateSons (talk) 08:05, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Antisemitism section as discussed in criticism thread

Antisemitism

Gigi Hadid has been repeatedly accused of spreading anti-Semitic content, especially on social media.

After Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022, she compared the situation of the Ukrainian population with that of Palestinians and was subsequently criticized in the Israeli media.

A post published on its Instagram on October 15, 2023, which described the Israeli government's behaviour as "nothing Jewish", was criticised by the government for its lack of solidarity with the Israeli civilians injured and killed in the Hamas attack; her refusal to condemn Hamas was also criticised . The Israeli government responded directly to Hadid's statement. Alongside a screenshot of Hadid's posting, the government's official account said: "There is nothing heroic about Hamas's massacre of Israelis."

She was also accused of spreading misinformation about the Palestinian prisoners which were released in exchange for the release of Israeli and international hostages taken by Hamas in the attack on 10.07.2023.

FortunateSons (talk) 12:26, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

If something is either missing or not appropriately contextualised/ lacking a source, I would greatly appreciate the feedback. Also, there is something wrong with the footnote for source 1 and 5, did I make a mistake with the formatting? FortunateSons (talk) 12:29, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

I just saw a comment on the other thread restricting the use of the daily mail, so here are two alternative sources for the fifth footnote:

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1701006165-gigi-hadid-falsely-claims-israel-only-country-to-hold-youth-as-prisoners-of-war

https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/trending-news/story/gigi-hadid-writes-israel-keeps-children-as-prisoners-of-war-faces-backlash-2468366-2023-11-28

also, I found two more sources for the first footnote if the statement is too broad to be supported by one source:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/entertainment/others/gigi-hadid-sparks-outrage-after-sharing-post-accusing-israel-of-organ-harvesting-101701089938548-amp.html

https://www.thedailystar.net/entertainment/tv-film/news/gigi-hadid-faces-backlash-alleging-israels-involvement-organ-harvesting-3480926?amp FortunateSons (talk) 12:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. This is a particularly contentious subsection proposal, with what is in my opinion sparse and questionable sourcing, including an opinion piece, the now-deprecated Daily Star, and little in the way of balance. It may also contain potential POV issues ("It is also not anti-Palestinian to condemn Hamas"). -- Pinchme123 (talk) 06:48, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

The use of a semi-protected edit was requested in the other thread. I am pretty new at this, did I break a rule?

I fixed the POV and Daily Mail issue, thank you.

Would it be possible to specify what the exact issue with the section sourced with an opinion piece is (the section itself or the source)?

Regarding balance or other missing sources, I’m happy to add anything specific, what do you feel is missing? FortunateSons (talk) 11:12, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Before I saw this discussion, I left some comments on your talk page that might be of help.

Given the very high bar that WP:BLP and WP:AC/CT require here, we need to tread extremely carefully. After you are certain that all references meet the quality requirements of BLP, rewrite the proposal from those references. I suggest the additional step of asking for a review of the new proposal at WP:BLPN. --Hipal (talk) 20:09, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much, I greatly appreciate your help! FortunateSons (talk) 20:37, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 17:08, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, explained specifically what and where an edit should be made.

Sources are included in the text and were improved as suggested by another editor. FortunateSons (talk) 22:44, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

I've reverted your changes to the initial request [10]. Please make a new request. Editing past comments like that is not appropriate. I also suggest you spend more time finding better references, because there appears to be little difference overall. --Hipal (talk) 18:38, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I was not aware that it was standard practice not to edit an edit request to improve it, and will renew the request.

Regarding references: English is not my first language, could you explain what makes the references used have “little difference overall”? They are from different countries, with different political leanings and funding, and generally referencing the specific event in a factual manner. FortunateSons (talk) 18:57, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Carefully read WP:BLP to start. If you don't understand what BLP-quality references are, I think you'll find this frustrating, likely futile. --Hipal (talk) 19:55, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

I have read WP:BLP, and believe to have corrected the use of any “bad” references in my newer version (which you rightly removed, but is still visible in the edit history).

If I missed one or multiple, I am happy to modify those as well, and would like to do so before creating a new edit request.

If it isn’t too much trouble, I would greatly appreciate you pointing out the exact issue with any specific reference, so I can correct them? FortunateSons (talk) 20:12, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

I strongly suggest you work on something else entirely. This edit request has been answered. --Hipal (talk) 00:29, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Insert a section called “Accusations of antisemitism” either before or after “personal life”

The inclusion of a section was discussed in the criticism thread (outcome: change of title, request of use of an semi-protected template) and improved (outcome: better sourcing, NPOV) in the “Antisemitism Section” Thread. I am able to make changes myself, but am looking for confirmation that the sources not specifically included (and therefore hopefully appropriately used) in the WP:RSP are appropriate. Suggestions on placement (and any specific improvements) are as always greatly appreciated!

Actual Text:

Antisemitism

Gigi Hadid has been repeatedly criticised for her statements regarding the conflict between Israel and Palestine, including accusations of antisemitism.

In 2021, Gigi Hadid was accused of „vilifying the Jewish state“ (in reference to Israel) in a controversial full-page New York Times Advertisement. The ad was criticised as inaccurate, including by Singer Dua Lipa, who was also featured.

After Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022, she compared the situation of the Ukrainian population with that of Palestinians and was subsequently criticised in the Israeli media.

A post published on its Instagram on October 15, 2023, which described the Israeli government's behaviour as "nothing Jewish", was criticised by the government for its lack of solidarity with the Israeli civilians injured and killed in the Hamas attack; her refusal to condemn Hamas was also criticised . The Israeli government responded directly to Hadid's statement. Alongside a screenshot of Hadid's posting, the government's official account said: "There is nothing heroic about Hamas's massacre of Israelis."

She was also accused of spreading misinformation about the Israeli treatment of Palestinian prisoners in the aftermath the Hamas terror attack on 10.07.2023. She later retracted the statement and apologised on Instagram about spreading inaccurate information.

Others, such as an article in theRolling Stone, have been critical of the conflation between Hadids’ criticism of Israel and antisemitism, characterising the responses as an overreaction. FortunateSons (talk) 22:58, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

References

No. Gross violations of BLP and UNDUE. NOTNEWS vio as well. Note that the better a reference is (The Independent), the less it supports such a narrative. --Hipal (talk) 17:13, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. WP:NPOV means accurately reflecting the representation given in sources cited. Further WP:NOTNEWS is indeed a serious problem here. I have to agree with @Hipal that less sensitive areas are a better place to start out editing and learn Wikipedia policies. Innisfree987 (talk) 17:20, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

I am happy to correct weighting and NPOV (as you correctly stated, I am new here). Would a subsection in personal life improve the weighting issue? If so, how much should my original proposal be shortened to more accurately reflect the issue?

Regarding NOTNEWS, I would like to respectfully disagree: with over 20 news articles (over multiple years), including at least 12 from reputable sources, and the associated public discussion of the topic, it is more significant than the routine or gossip desciribed in NOTNEWS. FortunateSons (talk) 18:04, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

On second thought, I would like to follow Hipal’s suggestion and post it on WP:BLPN for improvement, just to not overburden this talk page. Should I improve something specific (the issue regarding references seems to be fixed?) before I do? FortunateSons (talk) 18:39, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

If the topic focuses on social media posts, as this does, it's not only NOTNEWS, but WP:SOAP tending toward WP:NOTSCANDAL.

As I said, the narrative is skewed away from the better sources. She's a high profile figure that gets name-dropped for the attention.

BLPN would be helpful in getting the article cleaned up, as I see a lot of content that's questionable, only getting press because of who she is. --Hipal (talk) 18:41, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

I disagree about the assessment on SOAP/NOTSCANDAL, but as I wrote it, a neutral party is probably better, even though a do not have a COI in the traditional sense.

Your position regarding the cause of the attention certainly has merit, but would also apply to significant parts of many other articles, as is the nature of a public figure with a large following. After all, there is a reason why the degree of publicity is often considered when weighing privacy and transparency.

I will report back once I (hopefully) receive feedback. FortunateSons (talk) 18:55, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

This appears to be a section founded not in the subjects views and statements, but in the fact that others have criticized her. This is not a balanced statement. Giving weight to a Shmuley Boteach paid smear in the Times because you have an article that mentions the subject in passing in discussing the ad is not WP:DUE. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 19:26, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

I am happy to add more details on the views of the subjects, where should more details be added?

Regarding the Times Ad, would you suggest rephrasing or removing the section? FortunateSons (talk) 19:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Was there anything that should be corrected about my BLPN, or is this appropriate? FortunateSons (talk) 19:22, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

This particular discussion falls within the Israel Palestine topic area ("broadly construed") and as a non extended confirmed editor, you may not participate in such discussions, except that you may make straightforward edit requests, per WP:ARBECR. Selfstudier (talk) 19:24, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

BLP noticeboard

{{BLP noticeboard}} FortunateSons (talk) 19:21, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

The discussion was closed per WP:ARBECR. --Hipal (talk) 20:16, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Question regarding source formatting

I am having a bit of an issue with formatting the sourcing on 139 and 140 (the two new sources in the racism section), could someone tell me what went wrong? FortunateSons (talk) 19:59, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

I figured it out, but would appreciate someone taking a quick look FortunateSons (talk) 20:07, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Is Grazia a reliable source for this?

It is just adding minor context and the publication appears to be generally reliable, but is it a reliable source? FortunateSons (talk) 20:27, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

The reference was inappropriate and has been removed. --Hipal (talk) 20:24, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Could you elaborate on that? The source is from a non-disparaged newspaper and is only used to reference facts which are apparent (i.e. from a photo). FortunateSons (talk) 20:32, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

New racism section, is anything inaccurate or missing

It is mostly compiling from the German wiki and other parts of the article, but I would appreciate a quick review whether something is wrong, missing or poorly phrased? FortunateSons (talk) 20:30, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Grossly inappropriate per the previous discussions and policies identified in them. --Hipal (talk) 20:26, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Would you like me to rewrite something specific? The incidents do exist and are covered to the degree specified within WP:BLP FortunateSons (talk) 20:33, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

And just to clarify, the issue that ended the last discussion was the fact that the topic was covered by WP:ARBECR or primarily affecting social media posts. Do you believe this to be case here? FortunateSons (talk) 20:36, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I find it extremely concerning that you summarize the previous discussions in such a manner. Best focus on content policy. --Hipal (talk) 20:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

The Noticeboard was removed due to policy, and a primary argument by you was NOTNEWS/SCANDAL/SOAPBOX based on the fact that the focus was social media post, to quote you on 18:41, 9 December 2023 (UTC):

If the topic focuses on social media posts, as this does, it's not only NOTNEWS, but WP:SOAP tending toward WP:NOTSCANDAL. As I said, the narrative is skewed away from the better sources. She's a high profile figure that gets name-dropped for the attention. BLPN would be helpful in getting the article cleaned up, as I see a lot of content that's questionable, only getting press because of who she is. FortunateSons (talk) 21:01, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Most other debates with other people hat a (in my opinion, partially justified and partially unjustified) focus on the sources and NPOV, something that is less of an issue based on the fact that I mostly used CNN, FAZ and ABC here and am willing to work on phrasing regarding tone. FortunateSons (talk) 21:04, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

This isn't a debate. I'm unclear if you understand any of the policies that have been brought up. We're not going to come to the required consensus if that problem remains. --Hipal (talk) 21:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I do have a language barrier (C1, but still), so that is a possibility. Could you explain what the specific issue with my edit is? Do you agree that ABC, CNN and FAZ are generally reliable? FortunateSons (talk) 21:41, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry. This is not a venue to assist editors who have language difficulties. --Hipal (talk) 21:44, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I don’t think it is a language difficulty per se, I wrote exams in that language and got pretty good results. If you think I don’t understand the policy (which is possible), I would appreciate you explaining where the specific issue is instead of broadly gesturing towards a policy. FortunateSons (talk) 21:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Request: include the vogue italia photoshoot on the wiki page

Topic:

Hadid appears on a vogue italia cover with very tanned skin. She is accused of using Blackface. She apologizes and explains that she did not have control over the shoot. The issue received relatively widespread media attention, both conventional and on social media.

Sourcing: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/fashion/gigi-hadid-vogue-italia-blackface-apology-steven-klein-twitter-instagram-a8335856.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/04/entertainment/gigi-hadid-vogue-italia-blackface/index.html https://www.insider.com/gigi-hadid-vogue-italia-blackface-accusations-2018-5?amp

More (in German) https://newsv2.orf.at/stories/2436733/ https://www.rnd.de/panorama/gigi-hadid-entschuldigt-sich-fur-vogue-cover-J5COJ4A7GGAGFDQUBZHV4ZRCPE.html?outputType=valid_amp FortunateSons (talk) 22:45, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Optional: also include the first controversy with the same publication.

Issue: received significantly less media attention, so sourcing is lower quality.

Source:

Last Lines in https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-05/gigi-hadid-and-vogue-italia-apologize-for-darkened-skin-tone/9731122 and https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/fashion/gigi-hadid-vogue-italia-blackface-apology-steven-klein-twitter-instagram-a8335856.html, one paragraph in https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/05/04/entertainment/gigi-hadid-vogue-italia-blackface/index.html FortunateSons (talk) 22:50, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Looks like clear NOTNEWS. It was out of her control.

In the future, it's helpful to provide basic reference information, especially publication dates. --Hipal (talk) 01:41, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn’t know that this was common practice; these articles are from 2018, the first incident was in 2015.

Could you explain how it is WP:NOTNEWS? While it was not directly within her control, it was (to my understanding) the second instance with this publication and typical of the artist. She also apologised, which is not generally something that indicates irrelevance. FortunateSons (talk) 02:11, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

See WP:IDHT. --Hipal (talk) 02:20, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I understand that this is your view, and appreciate your candor. Is there a more appropriate forum for this question, or would using something like BLPN be inappropriate? FortunateSons (talk) 02:28, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Until you can demonstrate a basic understanding of relevant content policies, it's likely to be a waste of time for all involved while putting you in an increasingly bad light. --Hipal (talk) 17:17, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Sure, I’m happy to re-read the relevant policies before making a request on BLPN. Do you feel like I lack understanding of anything except WP:NOTNEWS? FortunateSons (talk) 17:47, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I've already discussed this on your talk page. --Hipal (talk) 18:43, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Could you direct me to towards which of your comments answers this question? Or are you referring to “ I'm not sure I can help you, and don't feel it would be worth my time given the problems I've already identified. ” FortunateSons (talk) 18:54, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Death threats and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

This information was reverted, with the following edit summary: "at least some appears UNDUE and has been discussed on talk page". She is of Palestinian descent. How can her pro-Palestinian stance and death threats against her be WP:UNDUE?

Hadid has supported Palestine and criticized the Israeli occupation for many years. In October 2023, she expressed concern over the humanitarian situation in Gaza during the Israel–Hamas war. She and her family have received death threats for their pro-Palestinian stance.

References

-- Tobby72 (talk) 20:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

What don't you understand regarding the relevant policies and previous discussions? --Hipal (talk) 22:46, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Please point where in previous discussions it was decided that her stance regarding the Israeli occupation shouldn't be mentioned at all. Only the accusations of antisemitism were disregarded and rightly so. How is this different from any of the other movements she supports and are included in the article? - Ïvana (talk) 04:31, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Afaict, there is no previous discussion of the death threats. Gigi's views on Palestine are missing from her bio. Burrobert (talk) 05:21, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Apologies for the confusion. Bella vs Gigi, editing by apparent fans vs anti-fans, I lost track.

It all comes down to what references we have available and relevant policies. For references: WP:RS, WP:IS, and WP:BLPRS. As to the POV issues: WP:NOT (especially NOTNEWS), WP:RECENTISM, WP:POV.

There appeared to be better references regarding Bella than Gigi. Do we have any in-depth references available on Gigi's views? Last we discussed on Bella's talk page, it was unclear if editors understand the basics of what references are appropriate in a BLP. --Hipal (talk) 16:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

That's quite an alphabet soup, lacking any specific connection to the current discussion. Her views on the Israeli occupation and genocide were sourced to the Guardian and the Independent. We should not participate in the attempted erasure of Palestine by hiding her views from readers. Here are some more sources:

• Hadid and her sister, Gigi, who is also a supermodel, are vocal supporters of Palestinian rights whose social media posts reach tens of millions of followers.[11]
• This Newsweek article details Gigi’s views over time.[12]
• Here’s a RollingStone article which discusses Gigi’s push back about the popular Israeli tactic of conflatiing support for Palestinians with antisemitism.[13]
• It appears that the Israel government was concerned enough about Gigi’s influence that it responded on Instagram to her statements.[14]
• A Newsweek article from 2021 details her views at the time.[15] Burrobert (talk) 07:02, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

That's quite an alphabet soup They are WP:PAGs. If you cannot respect them, then we're wasting time here. --Hipal (talk) 16:52, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy tag regarding the RFC below. FortunateSons (talk) 16:23, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Some more sources on her support for Palestine:

• This 2021 source[16] says: "Hadid, who is half-Palestinian through her father, has been vocal about the recent escalation of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Posting to her Instagram stories and her grid, she has brought attention to the ongoing violence, shared information about what it means to be Palestinian, and denounced human rights abuses". It quotes Hadid as saying:

“One cannot advocate for racial equality, LGBT & women’s rights, condemn corrupt & abusive regimes and other injustices yet choose to ignore the Palestinian oppression. It does not add up. You cannot pick & choose whose human rights matter more".

• The words Palestine/Palestinian appear three times in Gigi's bio, once in relation to her father's background and twice in relation to an incident from 2022. There is nothing about her comments on the treatment of Palestinians by the Israeli regime. In the one incident where the word Palestinian is mentioned we have removed the context so that readers will not be aware she was comparing the invasion of Ukraine by Russia with the behaviour of Israel towards Palestine. Here is an Israeli source which mentions this comparison "Last month, Gigi Hadid compared Russia’s invasion of Ukraine to Israel’s control of the West Bank".[17]
• Gigi commented on a terror attack in Tel Aviv in 2022 [18] "Vocally anti-Israel supermodel Gigi Hadid on Saturday criticized last week’s deadly terror attack in Tel Aviv as detrimental to the Palestinian national cause and a disappointment to Palestinians who want peace".
• Here are some sources which cover her reaction to the 7 October attack.[19][20][21][22] They quote her as saying:

"I have deep empathy and heartbreak for the Palestinian struggle and life under occupation, it’s a responsibility I hold daily".

"I also feel a responsibility to my Jewish friends to make it clear, as I have before: While I have hopes and dreams for Palestinians, none of them include the harm of a Jewish person".

"The terrorising of innocent people is not in alignment with & does not do any good for the ‘Free Palestine’ movement".

The sources say "Hadid and her younger sister Bella, whose 74-year-old father Mohamed was born in Nazareth, Israel, have always been vocal in showing their support for the Palestinian cause".

• Some reactions to Gigi's post about 7 October.[23]
• As mentioned above, the Israeli regime is concerned about her influence and has responded to her on social media. These sources cover her pushback against the Israeli tactic of smearing those who criticise Israel as anti-Semitic.[24][25][26][27][28][29][30] They say "The supermodel shared a graphic to her Instagram story that read: “There is nothing Jewish about the Israeli government’s treatment of Palestinians. Condemning the Israeli government is not antisemitic and supporting Palestinians is not supporting Hamas". " Burrobert (talk) 04:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

As long as it's unclear if you can respect Wikipedia's policies, this seems a waste of time. Are you familiar with "throwing mud at the wall"? --Hipal (talk) 17:59, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Her long-term pro-Palestinian activism is definitely not NEWS, RECENTISM or UNDUE. I would suggest Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard and/or Wikipedia:Requests for comment. -- Tobby72 (talk) 09:19, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Given the sources listed above does anyone oppose mentioning her views on the Israel-Palestine conflict? Burrobert (talk) 11:17, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Her long-term pro-Palestinian activism is definitely not NEWS, RECENTISM or UNDUE. I agree to an extent. What BLP-quality references support that?

The sources above appear to have been thrown out without regard to the relevant policies. I suggest identifying the best of them, explain how they meet BLP criteria, and what they could be used for.

I wrote over at Talk:Bella Hadid, "The Guardian piece doesn't give us much to work with, and doesn't rise above NOTNEWS and RECENTISM. Is there something better?" As for Gigi, the total content about her is "Hadid and her sister, Gigi, who is also a supermodel, are vocal supporters of Palestinian rights whose social media posts reach tens of millions of followers." We need to be careful not to fall into OR/SYN with what we apply to Gigi. --Hipal (talk) 16:29, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

The Guardian, The Independent, The West Australian, news.com.au, yahoo!, Variety are generally regarded as suitable sources. Other sources which may be suitable, although they are not ideal, are Times of Israel, Newsweek, Bustle, Middle East Eye, HuffPost. How many sources are needed to say that Gigi "has supported Palestine and criticised the Israeli occupation for many years". Or for saying "In October 2023, she expressed concern over the humanitarian situation in Gaza during the Israel–Hamas war". Or for saying she "compared Russia’s invasion of Ukraine to Israel’s control of the West Bank"? Burrobert (talk) 17:14, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

We only need one if it clearly meets the policies, a few if we're struggling with the polices listed. Currently, it's unclear if we have any. Given the topic and contentious topic areas, let's ignore those you state are "not ideal". BLP requires high-quality sources. --Hipal (talk) 17:58, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Here comes a lot of text. I have copied some relevant content from the relevant articles linked above. There is a fair bit of duplication. The intention is not to include the text, but to use it as a basis for summaries such as those suggested above.

• Guardian

Hadid and her sister, Gigi, who is also a supermodel, are vocal supporters of Palestinian rights whose social media posts reach tens of millions of followers.

• The Independent

Hadid’s Instagram Story post, which was originally shared by @consent.wizardry, read: “There is nothing Jewish about the Israeli government’s treatment of Palestinians. Condemning the Israeli government is not antisemitic and supporting Palestinians is not supporting Hamas.” In response, the official Instagram account for the State of Israel criticised Hadid’s statement

The Instagram row comes one week after the mother-of-one shared an initial statement about the Israel-Hamas war. On 10 October, she condemned the “terrorising of innocent people” and wrote that her dreams for a free Palestine are not at the cost of Jewish people.

“While I have hopes and dreams for Palestinians, none of them include the harm of a Jewish person,” Hadid wrote on Instagram, adding that inflicting terror on innocent people is “not in alignment with and does not do any good for the Free Palestine movement”.

“The idea that it does has fueled a painful, decades-long cycle of back and forth retaliation (which no innocent civilian, Palestinian or Israeli deserves to be a casualty of), and helps perpetuate the false idea that being Pro-Palestine [is equal to] antisemitic,” Hadid continued. Both Gigi and her fellow supermodel sister, Bella Hadid, have been vocal about their support for the Free Palestine movement. On 17 October, TMZ reported that the Hadid family - including their brother, Anwar Hadid, and mother Yolanda Hadid - have been “receiving death threats over their support for Palestine”.

• The West Australian

“I have deep empathy and heartbreak for the Palestinian struggle and life under occupation, it’s a responsibility I hold daily. “I also feel a responsibility to my Jewish friends to make it clear, as I have before: While I have hopes and dreams for Palestinians, none of them include the harm of a Jewish person. “The terrorising of innocent people is not in alignment with & does not do any good for the ‘Free Palestine’ movement.” Hadid and her younger sister Bella, whose 74-year-old father Mohamed was born in Nazareth, Israel, have always been vocal in showing their support for the Palestinian cause.

• news.com.au

The 28-year-old, who has been a longtime advocate for the ‘Free Palestine’ movement alongside her sister Bella Hadid, described the ongoing devastation in the region as an “unjustifiable tragedy”, throwing her support behind Palestine’s struggle while also condemning the violence that had arisen as a result of the attacks. “I have deep empathy for the Palestinian struggle and life under occupation, it’s a responsibility I hold daily,” she wrote. “I also feel a responsibility to my Jewish friends to make it clear, as I have before: While I have hopes and dreams for Palestinians, none of them include the harm of a Jewish person. “The terrorising of innocent people is not in alignment with and does not do any good for the ‘Free Palestine’ movement. “The idea that it does has fuelled a painful, decades-long cycle of back and forth retaliation (which no innocent civilian, Palestinian or Israeli, deserves to be a casualty of) and helps perpetuate the false idea that being Pro-Palestine = antisemitic.”

• yahoo!

Gigi sympathized with both sides before thoroughly pointing out that "terrorizing of innocent people" wasn't the way to go about achieving the "Free Palestine" movement.

She said, "The terrorizing of innocent people is not in alignment with & does not do any good for the 'Free Palestine' movement. "The idea that it does has fueled a painful, decades long cycle of back & forth retaliation (which no innocent civilian, Palestinian or Israeli, deserves to be a casualty of) and helps perpetuate the false idea that being Pro-Palestine = antisemitic."

• Variety

The supermodel shared a graphic to her Instagram story that read: “There is nothing Jewish about the Israeli government’s treatment of Palestinians. Condemning the Israeli government is not antisemitic and supporting Palestinians is not supporting Hamas.” The State of Israel provided its own version of the graphic Hadid originally shared. She took to Instagram last week to share a statement on the matter to her millions of followers. “My thoughts are with all those affected by this unjustifiable tragedy, and every day that innocent lives are taken by this conflict too many of which are children,” Hadid shared at the time. “I have deep empathy and heartbreak for the Palestinian struggle and life under occupation, it’s a responsibility I hold daily. I also feel a responsibility to my Jewish friends to make it clear, as I have before: While I have hopes and dreams for Palestinians, none of them include the harm of a Jewish person. The terrorizing of innocent people is not in alignment with and does not do any good for the ‘Free Palestine’ movement.

Burrobert (talk) 05:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you.

We appear to agree that there's only a single sentence in the Guardian article that's useful.

Re The Independent (written by Meredith Clark, a lifestyle reporter, on 18 October). The article is entertainment churnalism, quoting hadid's social media posts at length, quoting State of Israel responses, providing some basic information on the state of the war, and ending with lengthy quotes from another Riz Ahmed against Israel's actions.

It's a poor reference. If we use it at all, I don't see much encyclopedic value for anything beyond, "Both Gigi and her fellow supermodel sister, Bella Hadid, have been vocal about their support for the Free Palestine movement. Their father, American real-estate developer Mohamed Anwar Hadid, is a Palestinian immigrant."

I'll get to the rest as I find time.

I'm unclear what article from "The West Australian" you're referring to. Could you please provide links at a minimum for each potential reference? --Hipal (talk) 18:31, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Links to the articles were provided previously. Anyway. I'll repeat them here:

Guardian [31]

The Independent [32]

The West Australian [33]

news.com.au [34]

yahoo! [35]

Variety [36]

The Guardian article was mainly about Bella so it would be a good reference for her bio but it is sufficient to support the statement that Gigi is a "vocal supporters of Palestinian rights", something which is not currently mentioned in her bio.

Btw, HuffPost, RollingStone, Yahoo! and TMZ are already being used as sources on the page so we may be able to use articles from those sources as well.

Given the length of this discussion and the fact no one else sems to be interested, I may start adding info about Gigi's views as documented by the better sources above. You can decide whether the text added is reasonable and perhaps we can then move on to some RfC's. Burrobert (talk) 06:51, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

So would these sources be acceptable to use? Yahoo Huffpost - Ïvana (talk) 13:49, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Both sources mention Gigi in relation to a letter to Biden requesting he support a ceasefire. The existence of the letter is not controversial so the sources would be adequate for mentioning that fact. Gigi's signing of the letter is mentioned elsewhere, e.g. USAToday.[37] Burrobert (talk) 14:57, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the links. The West Australian article is at PerthNow, so I was unable to find it in all the links. --Hipal (talk) 16:47, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

The Perth Now/Western Australian article is written by an entertainment reporter, with almost identical format and very similar content as that of The Independent. It's a poor source.

The News.com.au article is very similar to the previous two, and poor.

TheBlast article hosted on Yahoo appears unreliable.

The Variety article is very similar to the other entertainment pieces, only much shorter and with far less context. It's churnalism and clickbait. It's a very poor source. --Hipal (talk) 18:20, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

The sources are considered generally reliable for facts so we are within scope if we use the articles for facts. Anyway, you can provide feedback once I add suitable content from the articles. Burrobert (talk) 04:55, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but BLP requires more in terms of reference quality and adherence to content policies, and places the burden on those seeking to include article content. Put a proposal together, and we can discuss it. --Hipal (talk) 17:20, 2 May 2024 (UTC)