Talk:Ghafir

hadith ref.?

i think the hadith/narration on the page needs a reference —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.113.7.9 (talk) 02:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

I agree, the hadith needs a reference, and it also belongs on the Tafsir al-Qurtubi page (with just a link from here) not on the Sura Ghafir page. If someone doesn't do this soon, i will. Glyns 21:04, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Bro, look at an-Nisa, 24. We have tafsir on the verses, not on the article about the tafsir.--Striver 21:24, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Please explain your reference to an-Nisa, 24, i don't see the relevance to our present discussion. The hadith on the Sura Ghafir page is unreferenced, nor is it related to any particular verse or verses of Sura Ghafir. Unless both these defects are remedied it belongs on the Tafsir al-Qurtubi page. Glyns 21:37, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

In a encyclopedia, we use scholarly work to explain issues. We use a tafsir to explain a scholars view on a verse - what you are proposing is to repeat the whole tafsir in the article about the tafsir. That is not what wikipedia does, that is what wikisource does. --Striver 21:22, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Please explain what useful light could possibly be shed on any verse of Sura Ghafir by a metaphysical (if not, indeed, fanciful) hadith such as the one in question, attributed to a man (Ka'ab al-Ahbar) who never met Muhammad and was condemned by Ali and Ibn Abbas as a liar. Glyns 11:20, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

If you ask me? None, the guy was a lier. But the content is encyclopedic. we don't only include things that we think is true, we include everything. --Striver 22:23, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

There is no merit in including things that are almost certainly untrue (such as this hadith) unless it is clearly labelled as probably untrue. Glyns 11:20, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Unreferenced? It states clearly: "Tafsir al-Qurtubi includes regarding this chapter:". That is both reference and relevance. --Striver 00:17, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

The sort of inauthentic, fantastical, superstitious nonsense represented by this hadith serves only to drag Islamic belief into disrepute (which is probably what it was intended to do by its originator). Do you agree that a note needs to be added to this hadith indicating that it is highly questionable? If not, please propose an alternative. Glyns 15:44, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

alright, remove it.--Striver 20:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

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Tafsir

Tafsir al-Qurtubi includes regarding this chapter: A hadith attributed to Ka'ab al-Ahbar reports:

When God created his throne, the throne said : ' God didn't create any creature greater than me. ' The throne then shook itself to show it's glory. God roped the throne with a snake which had 70 thousand wings; each wing had 70 thousand feathers; each feather had 70 thousand faces; each face had 70 thousand mouths, and each mouth had 70 thousand tounges. Out of these mouths words glorifying Allah with a quantity equal to the number of drops of rain that have fallen, and the leaves on the trees, and the number of pieces of gravel and soil and the number of the days of the world, and the number of angels. The snake coiled around the throne, for the throne was much smaller than the snake. The throne was covered by only half the snake.

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Translation

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40. Surah Ghafir or Al-Mu'min (The Forgiver or The Believer)

1. H⭍/i>.

[These letters are one of the miracles of the Qur'⮬ and none but All⨠(Alone) knows their meanings].

2. The revelation of the Book (this Qur'⮩ is from All⨠the All-Mighty, the All-Knower.

3. The Forgiver of sin, the Acceptor of repentance, the Severe in punishment, the Bestower (of favours), L⠩l⨡ illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), to Him is the final return.

4. None disputes in the Ayⴠ(proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of All⨠but those who disbelieve. So let not their ability of going about here and there through the land (for their purposes) deceive you [O Muhammad , their ultimate end will be the Fire of Hell]!

5. The people of N?oah) and the confederates after them denied (their Messengers) before these, and every (disbelieving) nation plotted against their Messenger to seize him, and disputed by means of falsehood to refute therewith the truth. So I seized them (with punishment), and how (terrible) was My punishment!

6. Thus has the Word of your Lord been justified against those who disbelieved, that they will be the dwellers of the Fire.

7. Those (angels) who bear the Throne (of All⨩ and those around it glorify the praises of their Lord, and believe in Him, and ask forgiveness for those who believe (in the Oneness of All⨩ (saying): "Our Lord! You comprehend all things in mercy and knowledge, so forgive those who repent and follow Your Way, and save them from the torment of the blazing Fire!

8. "Our Lord! And make them enter the 'Adn (Eden) Paradise (everlasting Gardens) which you have promised them, and to the righteous among their fathers, their wives, and their offspring! Verily, You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.

9. "And save them from (the punishment, because of what they did of) the sins, and whomsoever You save from (the punishment, because of what they did of) the sins (i.e. excuse them) that Day, him verily, You have taken into mercy." And that is the supreme success.

10. Those who disbelieve will be addressed (at the time of entering into the Fire): "All⨧s aversion was greater towards you (in the worldly life when you used to reject the Faith) than your aversion towards one another (now in the Fire of Hell, as you are now enemies to one another), when you were called to the Faith but you used to refuse."

11. They will say: "Our Lord! You have made us to die twice (i.e. we were dead in the loins of our fathers and dead after our deaths in this world), and You have given us life twice (i.e. life when we were born and life when we are Resurrected)! Now we confess our sins, then is there any way to get out (of the Fire)?"

12. (It will be said): "This is because, when All⨠Alone was invoked (in worship, etc.) you disbelieved, but when partners were joined to Him, you believed! So the judgement is only with All⨬ the Most High, the Most Great!"

13. It is He, Who shows you His Ayⴠ(proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and sends down (rain with which grows) provision for you from the sky. And none remembers but those who turn (to All⨩ in obedience and in repentance (by begging His Pardon and by worshipping and obeying Him Alone and none else).

14. So, call you (O Muhammad and the believers) upon (or invoke) All⨠making (your) worship pure for Him (Alone) (by worshipping none but Him and by doing religious deeds sincerely for All⨧s sake only and not to show-off and not to set up rivals with Him in worship). However much the disbelievers (in the Oneness of All⨩ may hate (it).

15. (He is All⨩ Owner of High Ranks and Degrees, the Owner of the Throne. He sends the Inspiration by His Command to any of His slaves He wills, that he (the person who receives inspiration) may warn (men) of the Day of Mutual Meeting (i.e. The Day of Resurrection).

16. The Day when they will (all) come out, nothing of them will be hidden from All⨮ Whose is the kingdom this Day? (All⨠Himself will reply to His Question): It is All⨧s the One, the Irresistible!

17. This Day shall every person be recompensed for what he earned. No injustice (shall be done to anybody). Truly, All⨠is Swift in reckoning.

18. And warn them (O Muhammad ) of the Day that is drawing near (i.e. the Day of Resurrection), when the hearts will be choking the throats, and they can neither return them (hearts) to their chests nor can they throw them out. There will be no friend, nor an intercessor for the Z⬩m?> (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.), who could be given heed to.

19. All⨠knows the fraud of the eyes, and all that the breasts conceal.

20. And All⨠judges with truth, while those to whom they invoke besides Him, cannot judge anything. Certainly, All⨡ He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer.

21. Have they not travelled in the land and seen what was the end of those who were before them? They were superior to them in strength, and in the traces (which they left) in the land. But All⨠seized them with punishment for their sins. And none had they to protect them from All⨮

22. That was because there came to them their Messengers with clear evidences, proofs and signs but they disbelieved (in them). So All⨠seized them with punishment. Verily, He is All-Strong, Severe in punishment.

23. And indeed We sent M?Moses) with Our Ayⴠ(proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), and a manifest authority,

24. To Fir'aun (Pharaoh), H⭢n and Qⲻn (Korah), but they called (him): "A sorcerer, a liar!"

25. Then, when he brought them the Truth from Us, they said: "Kill the sons of those who believe with him and let their women live", but the plots of disbelievers are nothing but errors!

26. Fir'aun (Pharaoh) said: "Leave me to kill M?Moses), and let him call his Lord (to stop me from killing him)! I fear that he may change your religion, or that he may cause mischief to appear in the land!"

27. M?Moses) said: "Verily, I seek refuge in my Lord and your Lord from every arrogant who believes not in the Day of Reckoning!"

28. And a believing man of Fir'aun's (Pharaoh) family, who hid his faith said: "Would you kill a man because he says: My Lord is All⨬ and he has come to you with clear signs (proofs) from your Lord? And if he is a liar, upon him will be (the sin of) his lie; but if he is telling the truth, then some of that (calamity) wherewith he threatens you will befall on you." Verily, All⨠guides not one who is a Musrif (a polytheist, or a murderer who shed blood without a right, or those who commit great sins, oppressor, transgressor), a liar!

29. "O my people! Yours is the kingdom this day, you are uppermost in the land. But who will save us from the Torment of All⨬ should it befall us?" Fir'aun (Pharaoh) said: "I show you only that which I see (correct), and I guide you only to the path of right policy!"

30. And he who believed said: "O my people! Verily, I fear for you a fate like that day (of disaster) of the Confederates (of old)!

31. "Like the fate of the people of N?oah), and 'Ad, and Tham?d those who came after them. And All⨠wills no injustice for (His) slaves.

32. "And, O my people! Verily! I fear for you the Day when there will be mutual calling (between the people of Hell and of Paradise)."

33. A Day when you will turn your backs and flee having no protector from All⨬ And whomsoever All⨠sends astray, for him there is no guide.

34. And indeed Y?(Joseph) did come to you, in times gone by, with clear signs, but you ceased not to doubt in that which he did bring to you, till when he died you said: "No Messenger will All⨠send after him." Thus All⨠leaves astray him who is a Musrif (a polytheist, oppressor, a criminal, sinner who commit great sins) and a Murt⢼/i> (one who doubts All⨧s Warning and His Oneness).

35. Those who dispute about the Ayⴠ(proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of All⨬ without any authority that has come to them, it is greatly hateful and disgusting to All⨠and to those who believe. Thus does All⨠seal up the heart of every arrogant, tyrant. (So they cannot guide themselves to the Right Path).

36. And Fir'aun (Pharaoh) said: "O H⭢n! Build me a tower that I may arrive at the ways,

37. "The ways of the heavens, and I may look upon the Il⨼/i> (God) of M?Moses) but verily, I think him to be a liar." Thus it was made fair-seeming, in Fir'aun's (Pharaoh) eyes, the evil of his deeds, and he was hindered from the (Right) Path, and the plot of Fir'aun (Pharaoh) led to nothing but loss and destruction (for him).

38. And the man who believed said: "O my people! Follow me, I will guide you to the way of right conduct [i.e. guide you to All⨧s religion of Isl⭩c Monotheism with which M?Moses) has been sent].

39. "O my people! Truly, this life of the world is nothing but a (quick passing) enjoyment, and verily, the Hereafter that is the home that will remain forever."

40. "Whosoever does an evil deed, will not be requited except the like thereof, and whosoever does a righteous deed, whether male or female and is a true believer (in the Oneness of All⨩, such will enter Paradise, where they will be provided therein (with all things in abundance) without limit.

41. "And O my people! How is it that I call you to salvation while you call me to the Fire!

42. "You invite me to disbelieve in All⨠(and in His Oneness), and to join partners in worship with Him; of which I have no knowledge, and I invite you to the All-Mighty, the Oft-Forgiving!

43. "No doubt you call me to (worship) one who cannot grant (me) my request (or respond to my invocation) in this world or in the Hereafter. And our return will be to All⨬ and Al-Musrif?> (i.e. polytheists and arrogants, those who commit great sins, the transgressors of All⨧s set limits)! They shall be the dwellers of the Fire!

44. "And you will remember what I am telling you, and my affair I leave it to All⨮ Verily, All⨠is the All-Seer of (His) slaves."

45. So All⨠saved him from the evils that they plotted (against him), while an evil torment encompassed Fir'aun's (Pharaoh) people.

46. The Fire; they are exposed to it, morning and afternoon, and on the Day when the Hour will be established (it will be said to the angels): "Cause Fir'aun's (Pharaoh) people to enter the severest torment!"

47. And, when they will dispute in the Fire, the weak will say to those who were arrogant; "Verily! We followed you, can you then take from us some portion of the Fire?"

48. Those who were arrogant will say: "We are all (together) in this (Fire)! Verily All⨠has judged between (His) slaves!"

49. And those in the Fire will say to the keepers (angels) of Hell: "Call upon your Lord to lighten for us the torment for a day!"

50. They will say: "Did there not come to you, your Messengers with (clear) evidences and signs? They will say: "Yes." They will reply: "Then call (as you like)! And the invocation of the disbelievers is nothing but in error!"

51. Verily, We will indeed make victorious Our Messengers and those who believe (in the Oneness of All⨠Isl⭩c Monotheism) in this world's life and on the Day when the witnesses will stand forth, (i.e. Day of Resurrection),

52. The Day when their excuses will be of no profit to Z⬩m?i>(polytheists, wrong-doers and disbelievers in the Oneness of All⨩. Theirs will be the curse, and theirs will be the evil abode (i.e. painful torment in Hell-fire).

53. And, indeed We gave M?Moses) the guidance, and We caused the Children of Israel to inherit the Scripture [i.e. the Taurⴠ(Torah)],

54. A guide and a reminder for men of understanding.

55. So be patient (O Muhammad ). Verily, the Promise of All⨠is true, and ask forgiveness for your fault, and glorify the praises of your Lord in the Ashi (i.e. the time period after the midnoon till sunset) and in the IbkⲠ(i.e. the time period from early morning or sunrise till before midnoon) [it is said that, that means the five compulsory congregational Salⴠ(prayers) or the 'Asr and Fajr prayers].

56. Verily, those who dispute about the Ayⴠ(proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of All⨬ without any authority having come to them, there is nothing else in their breasts except pride [to accept you (Muhammad ) as a Messenger of All⨠and to obey you]. They will never have it (i.e. Prophethood which All⨠has bestowed upon you). So seek refuge in All⨠(O Muhammad from the arrogants). Verily, it is He Who is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer.

57. The creation of the heavens and the earth is indeed greater than the creation of mankind, yet most of mankind know not.

58. And not equal are the blind and those who see, nor are (equal) those who believe (in the Oneness of All⨠Isl⭩c Monotheism), and do righteous good deeds, and those who do evil. Little do you remember!

59. Verily, the Hour (Day of Judgement) is surely coming, therein is no doubt, yet most men believe not.

60. And your Lord said: "Invoke Me, [i.e. believe in My Oneness (Isl⭩c Monotheism)] (and ask Me for anything) I will respond to your (invocation). Verily! Those who scorn My worship [i.e. do not invoke Me, and do not believe in My Oneness, (Isl⭩c Monotheism)] they will surely enter Hell in humiliation!"

61. All⨬ it is He Who has made the night for you that you may rest therein and the day for you to see. Truly, All⨠is full of Bounty to mankind, yet most of mankind give no thanks.

62. That is All⨬ your Lord, the Creator of all things, L⠩l⨡ illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), where then you are turning away (from All⨬ by worshipping others instead of Him)!

63. Thus were turned away those who used to deny the Ayⴠ(proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of All⨮

64. All⨬ it is He Who has made for you the earth as a dwelling place and the sky as a canopy, and has given you shape and made your shapes good (looking) and has provided you with good things. That is All⨬ your Lord, then blessed be All⨬ the Lord of the 'Alam(mankind, jinns and all that exists).

65. He is the Ever Living, L⠩l⨡ illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), so invoke Him making your worship pure for Him Alone (by worshipping Him Alone, and none else, and by doing righteous deeds sincerely for All⨧s sake only, and not to show off, and not to set up rivals with Him in worship). All the praises and thanks be to All⨬ the Lord of the 'Alam/i> (mankind, jinns and all that exists).

66. Say (O Muhammad ): "I have been forbidden to worship those whom you worship besides All⨬ since there have come to me evidences from my Lord, and I am commanded to submit (in Isl⭩ to the Lord of the 'Alam(mankind, jinns and all that exists).

67. He, it is Who has created you (Adam) from dust, then from a Nutfah [mixed semen drops of male and female discharge (i.e. Adam's offspring)] then from a clot (a piece of coagulated blood), then brings you forth as children, then (makes you grow) to reach the age of full strength, and afterwards to be old (men and women), though some among you die before, and that you reach an appointed term, in order that you may understand.

68. He it is Who gives life and causes death. And when He decides upon a thing He says to it only: "Be!" and it is.

69. See you not those who dispute about the Ayⴠ(proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of All⨿ How are they turning away (from the truth, i.e. Isl⭩c Monotheism to the falsehood of polytheism)?

70. Those who deny the Book (this Qur'⮩, and that with which We sent Our Messengers (i.e. to worship none but All⨠Alone sincerely, and to reject all false deities and to confess resurrection after the death for recompense) they will come to know (when they will be cast into the Fire of Hell).

71. When iron collars will be rounded over their necks, and the chains, they shall be dragged along.

72. In the boiling water, then they will be burned in the Fire.

73. Then it will be said to them: "Where are (all) those whom you used to join in worship as partners

74. "Besides All⨦quot; They will say: "They have vanished from us: Nay, we did not invoke (worship) anything before." Thus All⨠leads astray the disbelievers.

75. That was because you had been exulting in the earth without any right (by worshipping others instead of All⨠and by committing crimes), and that you used to rejoice extremely (in your error).

76. Enter the gates of Hell to abide therein, and (indeed) what an evil abode of the arrogant!

77. So be patient (O Muhammad ), verily, the Promise of All⨠is true, and whether We show you (O Muhammad in this world) some part of what We have promised them, or We cause you to die, then it is to Us they all shall be returned.

78. And, indeed We have sent Messengers before you (O Muhammad ); of some of them We have related to you their story and of some We have not related to you their story, and it was not given to any Messenger that he should bring a sign except by the Leave of All⨮ So, when comes the Commandment of All⨬ the matter will be decided with truth, and the followers of falsehood will then be lost.

79. All⨬ it is He Who has made cattle for you, that you may ride on some of them and of some you eat.

80. And you have (many other) benefits from them, and that you may reach by their means a desire that is in your breasts (i.e. carry your goods, loads, etc.), and on them and on ships you are carried.

81. And He shows you His Signs and Proofs (of His Oneness in all the above mentioned things). Which, then of the Signs and Proofs of All⨠do you deny?

82. Have they not travelled through the earth and seen what was the end of those before them? They were more numerous than them and mightier in strength, and in the traces (they have left behind them) in the land, yet all that they used to earn availed them not.

83. Then when their Messengers came to them with clear proofs, they were glad (and proud) with that which they had of the knowledge (of worldly things): And that at which they used to mock, surrounded them (i.e. the punishment).

84. So when they saw Our punishment, they said: "We believe in All⨠Alone and reject (all) that we used to associate with Him as (His) partners.

85. Then their Faith (in Isl⭩c Monotheism) could not avail them when they saw Our punishment. (Like) this has been the way of All⨠in dealing with His slaves. And there the disbelievers lost utterly (when Our Torment covered them).

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Miracle of 19 in Quranic Initialed Suras: Sura 40-46

Peace be upon you all,

God Willing I propose to include the following under a new section, if there are no reservations I shall God Willing upload it in another 36 hours time.

(Start of the section)

Miracle of 19 in Quranic Initialed Suras: Sura 40-46

Of the 29 Quran Suras (of the 114) that have verse 1 as Quranic initials (Muqattat), Seven suras are prefixed with the letters “H ح “ and “M م;” Suras 40 through 46. The total occurrence of these two letters in the seven H.M.-initialed suras is 2147, or 19x113. The detailed data are shown in Table below. Naturally, the alteration of a single letter “H” or “M” in any of the seven H.M.-initialed suras would have destroyed this intricate phenomenon.

Table: Occurrence of the Letter "H" and "M" in the Seven H.M.-Initialed Suras

Sura No.	H ح Frequency	M م Frequency	H+M
40	64	380	444
41	48	276	324
42	53	300	353
43	44	324	368
44	16	150	166
45	31	200	231
46	36	225	261
Total	292	1855	2147(19x113)

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In order to support the above fact please see the explanations below:

(1) The Miracle of 19: unveiled by Rashad Khalifa Ph.D. in the Quran revealed by God to last Prophet Muhammad is not an original research. This is proven for example by Appendix 1 of the Authorized English Version translated from the Original by Rashad Khalifa, Ph.D. copyright © Islamic Productions and http://www.19miracle.org/math-miracle-of-quran/.

(2) The above is based on reliable & verifiable source.

Explanation: (a) It is based on the widely accepted Quran text by Tanzil.net

(b) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashad_Khalifa states Khalifa's first publicized report in the Arab world appeared in the Egyptian magazine Akher Sa'a, in January, 1973. Updates of his research were subsequently published by the same magazine later that year and again in 1975: • ^ Akher Sa'a magazine, Egypt, January 24, 1973. • ^ Akher Sa'a magazine, Egypt, November 28, 1973. • ^ Akher Sa'a magazine, Egypt, December 31, 1975.

(c ) Book written by Cesar Adib Majul, Ph.D., Former Dean, Institute of Islamic Studies, University of the Philippines regarding the 19 based Mathematical Structure of Quran:http://books.google.com/books/about/The_names_of_Allah_in_relation_to_the_ma.html?id=pntCAAAACAAJ and https://catalog.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?BBID=973897&DB=local and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Adib_Majul

(d) The proofs are easily verifiable Sura 40, Sura 41, Sura 42, Sura 43, Sura 44, Sura 45 and Sura 46.

(3) The fact is based on data accepted by main stream & majority of Shia and Sunni Muslims worldwide.

Explanation: (a) These are based on independent, verifiable, reliable, undisputed Quran data, reference texts commonly accepted by those in control of web sites and Quran printings etc. of Sunnis and Shias too, and widely used by “mainstream” Muslims worldwide - The King Fahd Press based Arabic Quran by www.tanzil.net is also used by main stream Shia sect http://quran.al-islam.org/ - we see following statement made for the Quranic initials in Sura 2 verse 1.

[Pooya/Ali Commentary 2:1] Many interpretations have been forwarded and manipulated by some commentators, but they are all based upon conjecture, devoid of any definite authority. According to the holy Imams these letters are a means of reaching the higher realms of true knowledge, available in the verses of the Quran, but the domain of sublime confidences are reserved only for the chosen representatives of Allah.

(b) The Structure of 19 in Quran is one of the modules (Module VI page 13 -14) taught at The University of Calicut, Kerala, India http://www.universityofcalicut.info/syl/Islamic.pdf

(4) The neutral point of view,

The Quran as we all (muslims, submitters to God) know is the unifying factor for moderate ... Islam (Submission to God); therefore to minimize the extremists and sectarian viewpoints (which would be danger to world peace), we trust Wikipedia would not wish to restrict freedom of information etc., of modern, logical & scientific information to the Muslims – for example (per (3) (b) above), 19 based structure in Quran is being taught, obviously to “Mainstream” Muslim and even non-Muslims within Islamic History. Thus with due respect I submit that the modern facts under discussion are not a matter of any issues or view points or ideas. India is the largest democracy in the World, a Secular Country, and its Kerala State give due Constitutional recognition to various religions to the extent that this relation between 19 and Quran is taught at the University of Calicut, Kerala, mentioned above.

Peace

(DukhanSmoke (talk) 16:22, 16 January 2012 (UTC))