Talk:Gevninge helmet fragment/GA1

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Reviewer: Jackyd101 (talk · contribs) 19:38, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, good work on this. I'm not worried about the length, and I AGF on the offline sources. I just have a couple of comments, you're almost there. Well done on the work so far. Some of these questions are speculative - if you feel there aren't the sources etc to answer them then just let me know below and don't worry about it.--Jackyd101 (talk) 19:38, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review Jackyd101! Responses are below. There are two things that I need to look further into, which will take a few days (need to check out the book on Lejre again, and then get Google translate to figure out what the Danish is saying). --Usernameunique (talk) 20:30, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Great work. Take your time and let me know when you are ready and I'll pass this. No deadline, so don't feel rushed.--Jackyd101 (talk) 21:17, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Jackyd101. I've added a new section, "Context and Beowulf", which I believe addresses most of the points. The excerpt from Beowulf certainly sacrifices brevity for poetic indulgence—if it's overly indulgent I'll trim it down (but it does repeatedly refer to the guard's duty at the outpost). Specific responses are below; please let me know if you have any more questions and/or feedback! --Usernameunique (talk) 00:22, 14 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):

"nearby, the contemporary royal capital of Lejre may be a more likely location for the eyepiece's fabrication" would read better as "the contemporary royal capital of Lejre nearby may be a more likely location for the eyepiece's fabrication"

Done Took your suggestion, but with "nearby" between commas. If that feels awkward to you, I'll remove the commas.

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):

Has anything like this been found at Lejre (i.e. gilded metalwork etc.)?

Not sure, I'll check. Definitely nothing from a helmet, however.

Added mention of the Lejre Hoard which has silver work, in addition to other exceptional aspects of the site: monumental burial mounds, large halls, and stone ships.

Has anything been written on crested helmets? Were they predominately for ceremonial usage or combat? There may not be much literature on this, in which case don't worry, but if there is a wider discussion this can tap into it would help contextualise the find.

There's a decent amount written on crested helmets, notably Steuer 1987 (in German) and Tweddle 1992, which are both available online. I'm not sure that they directly address your question. My sense is that most were probably for use, but a few of the high status ones (the Sutton Hoo helmet for example) may have been primarily decorative. (Even that one is a well built, functional helmet, however, and may have been used.) There's some talk in the literature that Gevninge (da) may have been an outpost used as a first line of defense for Lejre, as it was a few miles down the river and would have seen impending attacks; in that sense, a functional helmet would be a must. I'll add that to the article tonight or tomorrow.

Added information on Gevninge as a gateway to Lejre, and how the fragment would have served to identify the high rank of the wearer on top of the helmet's more utilitarian uses.

Were any additional archaeological investigations made into the area after the find? I would have assumed so, but perhaps not if its not mentioned.

Not into the immediate area, as far as I'm aware. The literature suggests that as a metal detector find there is little context, but it's unclear if that's because the find was made by an amateur who didn't record the location, or if it was just part of a preliminary archaeological exploration that did not lead to an excavation. I think the primary point of the excavations was to explore Lejre; I'll check the literature and see what it says about where Gevninge fits into that project.

Added how it was a "minor excavation." Pretty sure it's because Lejre is the real focus of excavations and studies, not Gevninge.

Is the "Lejre Museum" the Land of Legends (Sagnlandet Lejre)? If so, link it.

No, it's one of six or so museums under the umbrella of ROMU. I believe the only one with a WP page is the Roskilde Museum.

It follows the neutral point of view policy.
a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
It is stable.
It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
a (tagged and captioned): b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
Overall:
a Pass/Fail:

Great work! Pass--Jackyd101 (talk) 10:27, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]