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"Unsubstantiated claims"

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Whether or not claims of physically abusing students are substantiated or not, the claims should at least be attributed to someone before they go in this article. I can't think of anyone who has come out and said that publicly - the onus should be on the author to verify. --Tirana 01:32, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The last paragraph is incorrect. Bill English was Deputy Leader when he succeeded Jenny Shipley in October 2001.

The statement "His majority has declined steadily" is incorrect. His majority actually increased considerably between the 2002 and 2005 elections.

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I have spoken with a student who was taught by him. He becomes very quiet on the talk of abuse. From what I have heard it was more verbal abuse than physical abuse, apparantly making racist comments towards Maori student. Quite ironic considering he is now National's Spokesman.

Brownlee's position after the 2010 Canterbury Earthquake

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I have made a couple of edits to the section regarding legislation passed by the House on 14 September 2010 relating to additional powers granted to the Minister, supposedly for the rebuilding of Christchurch. I removed a sentence which was incredibly unclear, namely;

"On the 14th of September Brownlee, in his positions as Minister of Earthquake Recovery and Leader of the House pushed through legislation to set up the a newly appointed Commission set up by John Key to rebuild the damaged sectors of Christchurch and the Canterbury Region within the same day."

Precisely what this sentence is intended to convey, I am unsure. But what is certain is that it is uncited, is factually incorrect, and does not convey an NPOV. An example of this is stating that "as... Leader of the House [Brownlee] pushed through legislation...". This would seem to imply that Brownlee not only somehow forced this through the House, but that he somehow used his position as Leader of the House to do this. Firstly, this would be very misleading to anyone not familiar with what the Leader of the House actually is. Secondly, this glosses over the fact that the legislation was in fact passed unanimously by the Parliament of New Zealand.

There should certainly be references to this in Brownlee's profile, but they should be of better quality than this.

[Appologies if I have done something amiss here - first time Wikipedia editor, long time user!]

Chrislaing (talk) 12:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Sorry, that was my bad edit, re-did it with the right citations etc, I had just noticed I did a bit of a bad job at it before without re-reading it, you were definitely right to call that out! I've left the article neutral without notice to either the house or Gerry's position as Leader of the house, Primarily as the house unified his position as Leader of the House was not needed to call urgency so that was irrelevant for me to write in the first place For a first edit, bloody good one, I wouldn't have noticed until now at least! Cheers Kaiserm (talk) 00.59, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

No need to say sorry! The section is now significantly better and more informative :-). Agree that it represents an NPOV, or as close as one can get with a political figure. Chrislaing (talk) 14:11, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Minister of Transport

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This comment relates to edits made on the article today. @Kiwichris If you make uncited changes then expect to be reverted and have to explain your changes. You should have first done that in the edit summary box anyway. The list of transport ministers here that I think you are using as your data source (25th minister, not 16th), is a wiki page, which you should know cannot be used. In any case, a quick look at the list does shows Brownlee as the 16th transport minister. You seem to have misread it. If that list and article is correct then the ministry started in 1968. Counting forward, and not double-counting the same person, Brownlee is 16th. You seem to have counted ministers of earlier ministries and to have double counted. If the article is misleading or unclear in any way, why not look at improving it? I hope you will consider reverting your own changes, or at the very least, explain here why Brownlee should be called the 25th transport minister. Reverting the way you have been doing is not ideal. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 06:46, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Are we looking at the same list of transport ministers? There was an incomplete list here which started in 1968, however Wilson lists Bill Veitch as the first Minister of Transport in 1928. I completed the list today and added the 9 ministers that were missing from the existing list, hence the difference in numbering for later ministers. Kiwichris (talk) 07:17, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The ministry started in 1968, which I think is not disputed. A minister serving twice does not count as another number upwards. Even if counting from 1928 there is some more double counting, so 25th would be wrong anyway. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 07:31, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The ministry may have started in 1968, but the office of minister of transport pre-dates this. Also what "double counting" are you referring to? Maurice Williamson is the only minister to serve separate terms and he is listed as 17th in both instances, not counting "another number upwards". Kiwichris (talk) 07:54, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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