Talk:Germanicus/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs) 13:27, 17 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'll get to this shortly.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 13:27, 17 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take this over, given Sturmvogel's absence.

Prose issues:
- "The Pannonians were in an uproar, and the Romans attacked, in which they conquered the Breuci without battle." - "in which" is not correct here, either something is missing, or it needs to be removed

Fixed by another user

- "The fighting lasts for two days, with neither side achieving a decisive victory. Germanicus' forces withdraw and return to the Rhine." - this should be in past tense since we're discussing historical events

It is now in past tense

- "As part of his last major campaign against Arminius in AD 16, Germanicus commanded eight legions with auxiliary units overland across the Rhine, up the Ems and Weser rivers, and met Arminius on the plains of Idistaviso, by the Weser River near modern Rinteln, in an engagement called the Battle of the Weser River." - this seems to be an overly long sentence. I'd split it before the Romans met the Germans.

I split it into two sentences as you suggested

- "He had went there..." - he had gone there

Fixed

MOS issues:
- Quite a few duplicate links - there's a handy tool at User:Ucucha/duplinks that helps find them

Installed - great tool. Removed duplinks.

- I believe the boldface text later in the article should be de-bolded, per MOS:BOLD

There are articles, such as Augustus (which passed FAC), that use bold to denominate the changes to the subjects name. If this is an incorrect usage I'll rectify it immediately.

I suppose the MOS reviewers at FAC know better than I do ;)

- A number of uncommon terms should be linked, for instance, manumission, counter-insurgency

Fixed

- I believe "senate" should be capitalized, as it's a proper noun here.

Fixed

Source/reference issues:
- I don't think IMDB counts as reliable sources. In fact, WP:RS/IMDB advises against using it.

I agree, I added references to the trivia section because it was already there and wasn't sure what to do with it. As I do hope to move forward with FAC after this, should I just remove the trivia section altogether?

I went ahead and replaced it with one from a book.

I'm no expert on that sort of thing - the only time I've done anything remotely like that in an article I've written is the last paragraph here, so I don't think I can really comment on it with any authority. I'd think references to him in notable works of fiction would be relevant to include though.

- There's a harv error with the Frossard reference (another of Ucucha's tools, User:Ucucha/HarvErrors, is good for spotting these)

Will work on this and the rest of the suggestions in the morning as well.

Just for reference, I had a look at Roman-Emperors.org by Donna Hurley, which is a WP:SPS, but Hurley has published this edited volume through Cambridge University Press and this book by Hackett Publishing, both of which are academic publishing houses, which comfortably passes the bar for an expert in the field. You might keep track of that in the event that anyone questions the source at A-class or FAC (assuming you take the article there). Parsecboy (talk) 23:54, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

General comments:
- Are there modern names for the towns that Germanicus conquered in the Batonian War?

Those places are no longer inhabited, and their exact location is unknown, but I've mentioned where they are in modern terms.

- It seems odd to split the narrative about the mutiny in Germania between two separate headers. I'd suggest bumping the second paragraph in the Commander of Germania section into the 1st Campaign subsection.

Rectified.

- "a land and sea offensive" - this would be more accurately "a land and riverine offensive"

Fixed

- What is the "Saltus Teutobergiensis"?

Fixed by describing what it is

- The summaries of the various works of historical fiction might be excessive, but I'm no expert on this sort of thing.

As above, might have to remove trivia section altogether.

Images:
- File:Carl Theodor von Piloty Thusnelda im Triumphzug des Germanicus.jpg, File:Benjamin West 001.jpg, File:Aratea 42v.jpg - need a US tag, {{PD-US}} should be sufficient

Done

- The maps need to list whatever sources were used to create them (not a requirement for GA, but necessary if you plan to go to FAC)

All maps seem to be made by users at English and Italian wikis. Unsure how to proceed assuming that user-made images are acceptable for FAC.

The fact that they're user-made isn't a problem, but I've had image reviewers ask for the sources used to create maps in the past. Cristiano64 appears to be around, to some extent, on Commons - you might try leaving a message to see if they can add whatever source they used.

Parsecboy (talk) 15:49, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the feedback. I need to sleep, but will continue work on the article tomorrow. SpartaN (talk) 00:09, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Have made all requested changes, except bold words and trivia section which I'd like your opinion on. Glad to do whatever needs to be done for GA status. SpartaN (talk) 15:36, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There's still one reference to IMDB (for the paragraph about The Caesars) that needs to be replaced, and I think that's it. Parsecboy (talk) 12:27, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's been replaced. SpartaN (talk) 22:47, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good, will pass now. Parsecboy (talk) 23:54, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]