Talk:Georgian sea blockade of Abkhazia

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This is not a recent thing

I'm quite sure this didn't just start a year ago, I remember reading about Georgia stopping ships and arresting crews in the summer of 2004, just before the presidential election. sephia karta | di mi 11:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like you're correct: [1]. Offliner (talk) 11:11, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What blockade ?

In order for there to be a "blockade" there has to be a concerted effort to mount a monitoring presence at sea that would credibly intercept potential violators. There is absolutely no indication that Georgia either has the forces to mount such an effort or that its has done so. Various press reporting indicates that Georgian actions are sporadic and that they have interdicted at least on vessel, the Buket, in international waters (Turkish complaint), an illegal action under international law.Федоров (talk) 01:47, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand your point. You agree that Georgia has intercepted vessels headed for or coming from Abkhazia, and the Georgian government is on record as saying that this is its general policy. Sounds like a bloccade to me. You're right that Georgia is unable to completely enforce its bloccade, but do you have a better term? sephia karta | di mi 12:29, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What is occurring cannot be covered by a single word. What should be said is "Georgia periodically has attempted to interdict maritime trade with Abkhazia that is not specifically approved by Georgian authorities". "Blockade" is a specific term in maritime usage and, as I mentioned earlier, Georgia's sporadic attempts and limited maritime enforcement resources do not and cannot mount a blockade of Abkhazia. Abkhazia has said that its own coastal maritime forces can monitor its claimed 12 nmi territorial waters and Russia has sent a Russian Coast Guard vessel to claimed Abkhazian waters as back-up. Please also note that Georgia's interdiction actions beyond the 12-mile limit violate the principle of freedom of navigation on the high seas and are in contravention of International Law.Федоров (talk) 13:59, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As an added comment, this is also why it is incorrect to assert that Russia blockaded Georgia - either during the August 2009 conflict or since. The reasons why that assertion is incorrect are: 1) there is not evidence that even such an attempt ever took place, and 2) if there were selected interdictions, selective interdictions would not constitute a blockade.Федоров (talk) 14:03, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think I understand what you mean, but I have three questions/issues. Firstly, why would it only be a blockade if it took place within Abkhazian (or Georgian) territorial waters? The article blockade doesn't mention this. Secondly, do we know how many ships have entered or left from Abkhazia this year? Only then can we assess how effective Georgia's 'blockade' is. And thirdly, what other term do you propose? The sources that give a term for Georgia's policy do call it a 'blockade'.sephia karta | di mi 15:14, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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