Talk:George Silver

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Original research

This section looks like original research to me:

"The fact that Joseph Swetnam, who is opposed to George Silver's method and wrote his fencing treatise partly as a refutation of Silver's, writing in 1617, eighteen years after the publishing of Silver's Paradoxes of Defence, makes no mention of Silver or his students losing to rapier fencers, which he would surely have done if they had lost, provides support for the practicality of Silver's fencing system."

Anyone have any kind of citation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.104.216.199 (talk) 05:10, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like original research to me as well. I've removed it. Ekwos (talk) 19:32, 5 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled

I thing the origin and fate of the comnapy of Maisters belongs in its own article.

Can anyone reference the 1605 date? I was sure it was more like 1600/01.

--Peregrine

I agree about the Maisters. The 1605 date comes from the reference to Great Britain in the introduction to Brief Instructions, where Paradoxes referred to England. When James I (who was James VI of Scotland) became King of England, joining the two in a personal union, he called himself 'King of Great Brittaine, France and Ireland'. Hence the introduction, at least, was almost certainly written after 1603, when he was crowned, or 1604, when he referred to Great Britain. Megalophias 17:01, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that one.--Peregrine

Can anyone reference the 1620 date? Martin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.208.48 (talk) 13:20, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's from Aylward, but I haven't read him myself.Megalophias (talk) 05:50, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I thought we had Mary remarrying before then? I assumed it was because he was no longer with us. Oz —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.55.41 (talk) 20:47, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If George Silver was so against the rapier and dagger, does anyone know what swords he did prefer and promote? A side-sword? Yizzik (talk) 00:33, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He preferred what he called a short sword, which we would call a basket-hilted broadsword.Megalophias (talk) 05:50, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Silver's Pedigree

I ran a Google search on the Visitations of Hampshire and found that the Harleian Soc has published them in 1913 and a copy is online on Archive.org... https://archive.org/details/pedigreesfromvis64beno/page/60/mode/2up ...on p.61-2.

According to the introduction of this volume, "Harl. MS. 1544. An Heraldical Book in fol. for the most part written & tricked b}' Mr. Richard Mundy... with the Visitation made by John Phillipot Somersett in Anno 1622. Most part then don, and finished in Anno 1634."

According to Men of Kent and Kentishmen, "JOHN PHILPOT, SOMERSET HERALD... was employed by Camden as his deputy, or marshall, on his visitations." https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Men_of_Kent_and_Kentishmen/John_Philpot.

This particular visitation does not often list if the last generation is dead or alive so it's possible he might have been dead.

I would suggest changing this section...

The fencing historian Aylward claims that he was alive in 1622, when he was visited (a kind of audit of people claiming noble or gentlemanly status) by Cooke, Clarenceux King-of-Arms.[2] However, Robert Cooke died in 1593. The Clarenceux King-of Arms in 1622 was William Camden, but as he became paralyzed in 1622 and died in 1623 it is doubtful whether he visited Silver either.[3]

...to this...

The fencing historian Aylward claims that he was alive in the 1622, visitation of Hertfordshire recorded by John Phillipot as the deputy or marshall for the Clarenceux King-of Arms, William Camden. His pedigree can be seen on pages 61-62 of The Publications Of The Harleian Society Volume 64, 1913[x]

...where the source link is...

[x] Pedigrees from the visitation of Hampshire, Harl. 64

My last edit to Wikipedia was 18 years ago so I would appreciate input on this before I edit the article. - K Kirok of L'Stok (talk) 13:59, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

...also here...

UK Genealogy Archives, Pedigrees from the Visitations of Hampshire 1530-1634 Kirok of L'Stok (talk) 00:11, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

...a clearer scan although you need a machete to get through the advertising popups. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirok (talk • contribs) 00:14, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Schools that teach Silver's swordsmanship" Section

There are some dead links here, some of which are recoverable and some which are almost duplicates. I'm unsure the section should even exist at all, as it feels very close to being promotional and a simple directory.

The first link, https://www.terrybrownenglishmartialarts.com/ is a dead link. The school appears to have moved to https://englishmartialarts.org.uk who cite their founder as Terry Brown, the photo of him on the new site's about pages matches that on the defunct site's gallery via the Wayback Machine.

The second, https://englishmartialarts.bmaba.com/ is also a dead link, but the logo visible via the Wayback Machine matches that of the new site mentioned above, this appears to the be the same school.

The fourth link, http://www.backswording.co.uk is a dead link but the an archived version of their site describes the school name as "Aisle O’var backswording Clubbe", this club appears to have relocated to the following address: https://www.swordandstaff.org and renamed around 2020, as described on their about page.

The fifth link, https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aisle-OVar-Backswording-Clubbe/102137246515295 is a Facebook link which guidelines suggest avoiding, it is also a duplicate entry point to the club described above and appears abandoned.

The above problems can be fixed, but I would opt to just remove the section instead.

--Comfycore (talk) 17:50, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There also appears to be some confusion over which YouTube videos should be linked to in the External Links section, if any at all. The videos linked have been switched between at least two separate YouTube creators in the past, hinting at an edit war & I'm also concerned these are not authoritative enough sources to be linking to regardless. --Comfycore (talk) 19:17, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've today removed the content described in my messages above. --Comfycore (talk) 15:24, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]