Talk:George Kunkel (theatre manager)

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A fact from George Kunkel (theatre manager) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 4 July 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that actor George Kunkel (pictured) portrayed in blackface the character of Uncle Tom, using it at first to promote slavery during the American Civil War but later to attack it, after his views had changed?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/July. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/George Kunkel (theatre manager).

Notes

Should we mention that John T. Ford operated Ford's Theatre where Lincoln was shot?

What was the Baltimore Museum Theatre?

The Jenny Lind Theatre was named for ipera star Jenny Lind? — Preceding unsigned comment added by FloridaArmy (talk • contribs) 11:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4: The Baltimore Museum Theatre is probably the 1830 building of the Peale Museum, Baltimore, on Calvert Street and Baltimore Street, which is barely mentioned in that article.

Google books confirms that the Jenny Lind Theatre, San Francisco was named for opera star Jenny Lind. However the mention of the Jenny Lind Theatre is not cited in the article.

Should Nitingales be spelt Nitingales, Nightingales, or both? Slout uses Nightingales. TSventon (talk) 10:26, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ TSventon Unfortunately, I can neither confirm or deny whether the theatre was in the Peale Museum. It's possible the theatre was a dime museum which is why the word museum was in the theatre's title along the lines of the Boylston Museum in Boston, or as you guess, it may have been part of a reputable museum like the Peale along the line of the Boston Museum (theatre). The Maryland Center For History and Culture has a folder containing artifacts on the theatre during the early 1850s (https://mdhistory.libraryhost.com/repositories/2/archival_objects/12213); and that would be where I would physically go if I were doing original research to start piecing together details about the theatre's location, etc. I can't provide any more illumination.

As for the other theatre, the Jenny Lind Theatre being referred to is in Washington D.C. according to his obituary in the Wheeling Daily Intelligencer (cited in the article). I believe (but can not definitively prove which is why I avoided addressing it) it is the 1850-1857 building of the National Theatre in Washington D.C. which was possibly christened the "Jenny Lind Theatre" during the 1850s (Lind opened the newly rebuilt 1850 National theatre after the original national burned; it too burned in 1857.). Kunkel recalls managing a Jenny Lind Theatre at the time that it was destroyed by fire that was on the same property as the then standing National Theatre in D.C. in an interview published in "Early Minstrelsy". Saint Paul Daily Globe. June 1, 1884. p. 11. My guess is that it is was the 1857 fire of the rebuilt National Theatre that had possibly been re-named for Lind during the 1850s. It's the only thing that fits the evidence, and if I were writing for a journal I could make that argument; but this is getting into WP:OR.4meter4 (talk) 15:26, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4: Google books has a number of sources which connect Kunkel and the 1830 Baltimore Museum, e.g. Maryland: A Guide to the Old Line State (1976, p. 145) "The Baltimore Museum , which had housed Rembrandt Peale's collection of theatrical portraits , was first opened as a theater by Edmund Peale in 1844 ; it was later known as Kunkel's Ethiopian Opera House ." It continues "the theater became rather disreputable in its last years".

The article only mentions the Jenny Lind Theatre in the lead and doesn't say where it was. It would be helpful to add Washington and the citation.

You didn't answer whether Nitingales should be spelt Nitingales, Nightingales, or both. TSventon (talk) 16:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the Commemorative biographical encyclopedia of Dauphin County, Pennsylvania (1896) at archive.org has a biography that mentions both theatres. TSventon (talk) 16:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TSventon I think Slout's spelling is best; although some newspaper articles used the other spelling. There wasn't uniformity in spelling at that point in America. I also added a note on Ford's Theatre and John T. Ford per your suggestion.4meter4 (talk) 19:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TSventon I found a source confirming it was indeed the National Theatre. I replaced the Jenny Lind Theatre with that and a cited reference. I did leave a note about Kunkel referring the the National Theatre fire as the Jenny Lind Theatre. Lind sang for the opening the National in 1850 so I wouldn't doubt that some people would have called it the Jenny Lind Theatre during that period.4meter4 (talk) 17:57, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4:, thank you, the original queries came from FloridaArmy, so I have added a template to confirm that. My main interest, having written Peale's Philadelphia Museum is to link mentions of the Peale museums where appropriate, so I will probably link Baltimore Museum Theatre to Peale Museum#History, once I have added some information about the Calvert Street and Baltimore Street building there. TSventon (talk) 18:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 00:33, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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George Kunkel

... that blackface actor George Kunkel (pictured) originally portrayed the character of Uncle Tom to promote slavery during the American Civil War, but later used the part to attack it when his views changed?

Source: Spingarn, Adena (2018). "Chapter 3: Uncle Tom and Jim Crow". Uncle Tom: From Martyr to Traitor. Stanford University Press. ISBN 9781503606098.

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jude McAtamney
Comment: Moved from draft to mainspace on May 17, 2024

Created by 4meter4 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 79 past nominations.

4meter4 (talk) 05:00, 19 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I'll review this one. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 21:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks good. I would just link 'blackface' and 'American Civil War' in the hook. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 22:37, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to mention it but the photo is GTG too (in the PD, used in the article, clear photo). Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 23:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Additional songs

Gina? documented here. FloridaArmy (talk) 10:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

What about Kunkel's Musical Review and Jacob and Charles Ku jel of Missouri? Related? [1] [2] [3] [4] FloridaArmy (talk) 10:43, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]