Talk:George Bellew

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:George Bellew/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 16:26, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi friend! We will have a chance to collaborate once again. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 16:26, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Lead

• Can we have an infobox here?
  • I am not sure it's necessary here
• Not necessary for the review, but could you add some more details, like the date, at the description of the file GeorgeBellew.jpg ?
  • That file was uploaded in 2006 and doesn't have any sources for its PD tag. I am not sure about copyright laws and all that, but I wonder whether it should be removed?
• Can we link The Honourable?
  • Done
• The terms linked here can also bee linked in the main text.
  • I think I've done this
• Having been Somerset Herald for twenty-four years Unless we need to keep it as it is, we should state numbers greater than 10 in digits as per the MoS.
  • Done
• proclaimed his daughter, Elizabeth II Could this be slightly tweaked so that it is fully clear who "he" is?
  • Well-spotted; clarified
• "Queen" could be linked to Monarchy of the United Kingdom
  • Done (for King, following above changes)
• Can the lead be expanded a bit more so that it covers all aspects of the article? Till his death?
  • I think I've done this, let me know though

Early life and heraldic career before 1950

• Born in Dublin on 13 December 1899 Would look better if you add Ireland
  • Done
• Can "The Honourable" and "Baron" be linked?
  • Done
• Just curious. What does "take the style of" mean?
  • Clarified
• Having spent twenty-four years as Somerset Herald "24". Link Somerset Herald.
  • Done

Gartership

• The Independent It is linked later. It should be linked here and only once.
  • Removed excess link
• Bellew's Gartership witnessed changes to the fabric of the College Which College?
  • Clarified
• received a third knighthood Should "k" be in caps here?
  • I don't think so (eg [1])

Retirement

• he took great enjoyment Just to avoid possible exaggeration, can we say "keen interest"?
  • Done

Legacy and appraisal

• grants of arms What does this mean?
  • Linked
• adorned with badges for the first time The first time in Britain? The world?
  • Clarified
• organising the coronation I think we should have a "C" here.
  • Done

@Sainsf: Thank you for taking on another one of my articles. I believe I have addressed all of these issues you've raised through these amendments. Let me know if more needs work. Thank you again! —Noswall59 (talk) 10:03, 14 March 2016 (UTC).

Noswall59 Thanks! Just a little query. Can the article tell us more about his personal life? Is there any sourced info on that? And mention when (+where) he died in the lead. 10:05, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

For the trouble with the image in the article, I guess FunkMonk can help. He is better at Commons stuff. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 06:53, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

@Sainsf: thanks for the additional comments. I have included some information from another herald's memoirs and some further information I have managed to glean from a book on the Order of the Garter. There may be a little more in the Garter book (pp. 142–144), but I cannot access that at the moment. As far as I am aware, there are no other printed sources about his life, which is a shame, but if I ever encounter anything else, I will make sure it goes into the article. As for the lead, I have mentioned his homes (into which he seemed to invest much of his time) and his death. I have removed the image from the article for now, and provided a link to an image which is held by the National Portrait Gallery, but under copyright limitations. Cheers, —Noswall59 (talk) 11:06, 15 March 2016 (UTC).

Thanks a lot! You have indeed done your best. With the image issue resolved for now, I happily promote this article. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 11:16, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

@Noswall59 and Sainsf: With regards to images: if there were doubts about File:GeorgeBellew.jpg, the file should have been nominated for deletion rather than simply removing it from this article. I've nominated it, because no source whatsoever is given for the image.

Anyone working with GA reviews as either nominators – or particularly as reviewers – should know what the copyright considerations are in a situation like this. If a free image can not be found (and can not be created – in this case because the subject is dead), then a non-free image can be used in conformity with the non-free content guidelines. There is no excuse for not using any image here. "Illustrated, if possible, by images" is one of the Good article criteria (6.), and this article fails it. A search for a free image should take place and if none is found, a non-free image used under the non-free content policy. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 12:05, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

@Finnusertop: thank you for clarifying the situation. I am working on the National Portrait Gallery photograph. —Noswall59 (talk) 12:13, 15 March 2016 (UTC).

@Finnusertop: okay, I have uploaded a file under fair use. Could you please check that I have done so properly. Thanks, —Noswall59 (talk) 12:31, 15 March 2016 (UTC).

@Noswall59: All is in order. Thanks for addressing this. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 12:34, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Finnusertop Thanks for raising this issue. Will be careful in future. I have a question; is it not possible for an article lacking images to become a GA? Noswall59 Thanks for resolving the issue. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 14:25, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

@Sainsf: It's probably possible. Consider if there simply was no known photo of Bellew. Or if it's a topic that defies depiction. The criteria reads "If possible..." – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:04, 15 March 2016 (UTC)