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Reviewer: LunaEatsTuna (talk · contribs) 09:03, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Copyvio check

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Earwig says good to go. Quotations used in-line with WP:COPYQUOTE—short, necessary extracts and properly attributed.

  • Noted.

Files

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All images used are relevant, good quality and copyright-free:

  • File:Downfall of Númenor.svg: CC-BY-SA 4.0, uploaded by nominator;
  • File:Sketch Map of Beleriand.svg: CC-BY-SA 4.0, uploaded by nominator;
  • File:Sketch Map of Middle-earth.svg: CC-BY-SA 4.0, uploaded by nominator;
  • File:Gondor sketch map.svg: CC-BY-SA 4.0, uploaded by nominator;
  • File:Fonstad Mount Doom detail.jpg: valid public domain rationale;
  • File:Sketch Map of The Shire.svg: CC-BY-SA 4.0, uploaded by nominator;
  • File:Tolkien's Moral Geography of Middle-Earth.svg: CC-BY-SA 4.0, uploaded by nominator;
  • File:Middle-earth's Geographic Influences.svg: CC-BY-SA 4.0, uploaded by nominator;
  • File:Idylls of the King 18.jpg: valid public domain rationale.
    • Noted.

Prose

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  • I think it is fair to wikilink geography in the lead as the article concerns it.
    • Marginal, as it's fictional, but done.
  • Move wikilink from "the end of the Second Age," to "In the Second Age, a large island," its actual first mention.
    • Done.
  • "Middle-earth books, The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings," – LotR is already wikilinked.
    • Fixed, you can freely fix such minor things rather than explaining them, btw.
      • Noted—I am just too used to nitpicking!
  • I would merge the sentence starting "Initially, the western part of Middle-earth" into the above paragraph.
    • Done.
  • "Third Age, the northern kingdom of Arnor founded by Elendil occupied much of the region. After its collapse, much of Eriador became wild." – being nitpicky, but could one be rephrased slightly to avoid using much of twice so close to each other?
    • Done.
  • "hobbits to form the Shire." – wikilink both hobbits and Shire as their first mention in the body.
    • Done.
  • "Northeast of there is Bree, the only place where hobbits and Men live in the same villages. Further east from there is the hill of Weathertop" – recommend "Further east from Bree is the hill of Weathertop".
    • Done.
  • "the hill with the ancient fortress of Amon Sûl" – the hill is pretty redundant and I think the sentence can be said without it.
    • Done.
  • "one of the Valar" – already wikilinked. Also:
    • Done.
  • Perhaps wikilink Oromë? Though a redirect it could be informative to curious readers.
    • Done.
  • "Mirkwood is the elvish land" – no need to wikilink elvish.
    • Done.
  • "where the Dark Lord Sauron forged the One Ring, at its centre." – is at its centre worth noting?
    • Gone.
  • "home to the Easterlings." – Do the Easterlings have a species that could be noted?
    • Linked.
  • Does the sentence starting "The large lands to the east of Rhûn" really need to be its own paragraph?
    • Closed up.
      • Looks good!
  • In Thematic mapping, unlink The Hobbit, LotR, quest and the Shire. IMO wikilinking quest is overlinking because I reckon most readers of such an article would know what a quest is. Relatedly:
    • Done all except quest, which is quite a major topic, and its medieval origins and implications in particular won't necessarily be well known to all.
      • Fair enough, I agree.
  • "Both quests begin in The Shire" and "return home to The Shire" – are these capitalisations correct?
    • Fixed.
  • "maps as "geographical fact" " – missing a full stop.
    • Fixed.
  • "and the routes of characters or armies." – should it not be "and the routes of characters and armies."?
    • Done, both are correct in BE.
      • Interesting :0
  • The further information template in § Political geography is not necessary as all of those places are already wikilinked and described above.
    • But not in this section, which is why the template is useful to the reader.
      • I would likely be more inclined to agree if there were redirects to said section but there is only one (Middle-earth roads). I do see your point on why readers would want to visit these articles (especially with the map), but I just reckon most readers of this article are likely to have seen where they are linked. I do not have any concerns with this policy-wise, but I do not think they are really necessary for readers. Anyone particularly curious could probably type it into the search bar. Also, on an unrelated note, the Shire is already wikilinked albeit in the caption (and if you choose to keep the template I would remember the Shire).
        • OK, let's try it without.
  • "Unlink "At the end of the Third Age" and move to "Early in the Third Age".
    • Unlinked, but it is the end of the age that concerns LOTR.
  • "with traces here and there" – recommend rephrasing for formality.
    • No need, it's standard English.
      • Ah I see. Well, I had seen it in books but never an encyclopaedia before.
  • "the city of Gondolin in Beleriand in the First Age" – none of these need to be wikilinked.
    • Gone.
  • Remove Mirkwood and Númenor from the Further information template in § Origins.
    • Done.

Refs

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Passes spotcheck—no concerns with refs 1, 11, 13, 25, 31 or 37.

  • Noted.
  • Wikilink Tolkien Estate in ref 15. Also:
    • Done.
  • Ref 15 is a dead link.
    • Archived.
  • Ref 27 needs a page number.
    • Fixed. The book was/is "to appear", I've merged it with the previous ref but wanted to mention the book also.
      • I see!
  • Is a publication name available for ref 31?
    • Added. It's Fimi's blog, but she's more than notable as a Tolkien scholar.
      • As she is a subject matter expert that is acceptable.

Other

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Short desc, image formatting, other templates, navs and cats good.

  • Noted.
  • Mind adding ALT text?
    • Done.
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