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Merge proposed from Genziana liqueur

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was no consensus. OrdinaryGiraffe (talk) 00:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is just a variant name and should be merged here. Skyerise (talk) 13:32, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed - the content there should be merged into this article somehow. I actually noticed this a while back, and considered doing it myself; however, the sources for Genziana liqueur are all in Italian, and since I don't speak that language, I don't believe I'm capable of effectively incorporating their content into this article.

@Ingratis and @Pete Maverick, as the two primary contributors to that article, would you mind merging the content there into this one? PhotogenicScientist (talk) 17:55, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@User:PhotogenicScientist - carefully bypassing the implications of dismissing the Italian product as "just a variant name" (why is the Italian the variant and not the German?), I don't mind the content being merged, but before considering doing so myself, since I don't know much about the subject, would like to wait on Pete Maverick's reply, since he created the article. This may take some time, as he doesn't seem to edit very often now. Ingratis (talk) 18:15, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Ingratis: Even the article says "as well as of parts of France, where it is called liqueur de gentiane". This is just the name of Gentian liqueur in Italian. It's not even a brand name, or made differently, per the articles. Skyerise (talk) 18:37, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've already said that I don't think it's worth going into this and that I don't object to the merge. Ingratis (talk) 18:42, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

why is the Italian the variant and not the German? Simply because the German variant is already worked into this article, while the Italian one has its own article. Nobody has "dismissed" anything. Please try to assume good faith before assuming that any ill-intentioned implications are being made. PhotogenicScientist (talk) 21:43, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lecture not required - the phrasing "just a variant name" is in itself dismissive. Ingratis (talk) 00:19, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Oppose full merge. There are two entirely different Italian products discussed in that page. One is, I imagine, closely similar to the Enzian of the Alps (I don't believe I've ever tasted the Italian version); the other is totally different, a mildly fortified digestivo which is a major cultural heritage (or more of an all-consuming obsession) in the Appennines of Lazio and Abruzzo. No objection if someone wants to merge the distillates together, but the Appennine product deserves its own page. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:56, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment if the articles are to be merged, this one may need a fundamental change in its definition of "gentian liqueur". It currently says that distillation is a key step in its production - however, as Justlettersandnumbers pointed out, "genziana" can be made simply by macerating/steeping the roots in wine, no distillation needed. I think we should have one article on all gentian-based alcoholic drinks, but the naming and definition should be appropriate.

I think "Gentian Liquor" would probably be the most generic and most accommodating name for this article. It seems Liqueur isn't necessarily a distilled spirit [1][2][3], though liqueurs are often said to be distilled [4][5]. Still, various Genziana sellers call it either a liqueur [6][7] or a liquor [8]. If this article were renamed as "Gentian Liquor", Genziana could easily be incorporated into it.PhotogenicScientist (talk) 22:23, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Justlettersandnumbers that the fortified wine would be better kept separate as Genziana. Ingratis (talk) 00:19, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Re-commenting since the merge maintenance flag was added: I don't think Genziana needs to be its own article. It has very few sources, and only one of those is particularly strong. Even that source mentions the distillate form of "genziana": So, while the Abruzzo gentian is based on white wine, this version consists of a real distillate, and the process is therefore more complex. Not to mention all of those sources are in Italian, and these are articles on the English wikipedia.

A better discussion might be had by listing that page over at WP:AFD - mention that this article also exists, and see what happens. PhotogenicScientist (talk) 16:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.