Talk:Genocide in the Hebrew Bible

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... that the biblical command to "spare no one" has been applied to Native Americans, Rwandan Tutsi, and Palestinians?
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(t · c) buidhe 05:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I don't see the hook in the article. It is OR to interpret labelling one's enemy "Amalek" as applying biblical command to "spare no one". I haven't checked the sources, but the article does not support the hook. Srnec (talk) 17:14, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the original hook I was thinking of is ALT1 below but I wasn't sure if it would be accepted either.
ALT1: ... that genocide in the Hebrew Bible has been cited as an inspiration by the Crusaders, Rwandan Hutu, and Israeli leaders? (t · c) buidhe 02:55, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll take a stab at this. I trust Buidhe to be the subject expert and do good research, but I concur that the section on "Justification for violence" here is a bit underdeveloped for the hooks proposed. I can't find the text of the article clearly confirming ALT0. As for ALT1, I'd ask "justification for what"? Carrying genocide? But that is not clear from the short quote about Pope Urban in the 11th century and then... Martin Luther? Did Luther called or tried to justify some genocide? I'd ask for that section to be expanded, clearly stating who said what, and in particular, who might have tried to justify genocide. The second paragraph in that section is more clear, and perhaps an ALT2 about "Genocide in the Hebrew Bible being used by Israeli leaders to justify their actions in the Israel-Hamas war" might be fine, and would probably draw more views too. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:06, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Alt1 isn't about justification, rather inspiration. Leaving aside Luther's arguably genocidal stated beliefs about Jewish people, something along the lines of your hook may be better. (t · c) buidhe 03:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2 ... that Israeli leaders have described their enemies in the current Gaza war as targets of divinely commanded genocide?

(t · c) buidhe 03:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think most readers would probably still interpret that as "Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza because the Bible told them to", which I don't see support for in the sourcing. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:33, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus: Have your concerns been resolved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 23:10, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720: @Buidhe: @Theleekycauldron: Sorry for late reply, I wasn't pinged and my watchlist have moved beyond being manageable years ago. I'd approve hook 2 (ALT2) except new concerns have been raised by theleekycauldron and they should be replied to by the nom. Can we come up with a better hook or reword something to address them? (I still think the justification section in article is poorly written, but that is not a DYK-level concern). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:20, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Buidhe: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 14:50, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just not sure what hook wording would be deemed acceptable. Any ideas? (t · c) buidhe 18:44, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate content?

Doesn't this very short page overlap with the content in the more complete The Bible and violence page, which already has an explicit section on genocide? Chaiten1 (talk) 07:44, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's clearly a notable topic that could be greatly expanded based on the cited sources. (t · c) buidhe 13:15, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The other article is 11216 words (!), so quite overdue for a WP:SIZESPLIT. (t · c) buidhe 01:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]