Talk:Geneva County shootings

A news item involving Geneva County shootings was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the In the news section on 11 March 2009.

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Notability?

What makes this event more notable that the dozens and dozens of other un-article'd events on List of shooting sprees in USA since 1910? --AaThinker (talk) 10:13, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean List of shooting sprees? I don't know about "more" notable, but what makes this article notable is that it is covered in several reliable sources independent on the subject. See the References section of the article to see what I'm talking about. Also, the fact that a similar topic has no article of its own doesn't necessarily mean that this one shouldn't as well. Jafeluv (talk) 13:05, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What about Wikipedia:NOT#NEWS ? --DFS454 (talk) 16:59, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was announced today in the news that this is the single worst mass murder ever committed in the state of Alabama. I think that's pretty good cause for an article. It is also very interesting in the fact that one of the policemen who engaged in a shootout with the perp had no idea the same man he was shooting at had just murdered his wife and infant child. This will probably become a movie...JOK3R (talk) 23:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another thing that makes this very notable is that the military was called out... for a civil matter. However well intentioned, that is actually a constitutional violation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.35.109.57 (talk) 10:52, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Quote at the bottom; locations

Looks like the quote at the bottom of the article no longer reflects the article given as a reference (ref #11)... not sure if it needs to be changed, or not. (Also, there appears to be at least a word missing when describing his death, although the latest version of the reference describes it as a self-inflicted gunshot wound.)

Also, in terms of location of the events, IIRC, the article I looked at last night mentioned that he burned his mother in her house in the neighboring Coffee County, Alabama... probably worth putting in. umrguy 42 16:10, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Number of victims

Three different numbers are stated in the article (13, 11, and 9), with eight listed in the quote from the local police officer. Not having checked the sources, what is the actual number, or is it unknown? (it should say unknown if it is). 68.9.243.100 (talk) 21:07, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral Sources/Accuracy

The Brady Campaign is not a neutral source of information, nor is it a news agency. It is an advocacy group for increased gun control. It should not be used as a source, especially when other news sources are reporting information which indicates that the information Brady is putting out is possibly inaccurate. Several news outlets have reported "automatic gunfire" being heard (http://news.aol.com/article/alabama-shooting-spree/377736). A semi-automatic weapon is, by definition, not fully automatic. That is a very evident contradiction, so until a news agency can report what weaponry was used in the shooting, there should not be assertions made by gun control advocates (a biased source) included as fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.185.162.175 (talk) 15:52, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't see this cautionary note about the Brady site before citing them about the names of the weapons used. At the moment, it seems harmless enough, since none of the other sites seemed to name the weapons used. --Lexein (talk) 04:02, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Google Hosted" news stories

"Google hosted" news articles expire too quickly, and aren't archived by http://web.archive.org It's better to spend a minute seeking articles on a more persistent newspaper or tv station website.