Talk:General Six-Principle Baptists

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I made some changes to the article that hopefully will better reflect that there is no direct connection between the original Six-Principle Baptist denomination and the new group that is related in name only. - Rlvaughn 21:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

erroneous statements

03:54, 11 December 2006 Chaplain Burnette (Talk | contribs) m (→Current status - Changed to correct erroneous statements made by another person who is not part of the SPB.)

Exactly what was erroneous about the information copied straight off the spb web site

Six-Principle Baptists hold to:

One God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;
One Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him;
The Holy Spirit as our Comforter and Guide;
The Bible as the supreme written authority in matters of faith and practice;
Liberty of Conscience in matters of interpretation and worship.
The Six Principles of Hebrews 6:1-2 (Repentance, Faith, Baptisms, Laying on of hands, Resurrection, and Judgment) as foundational concepts

I see nothing factually in error here, please explain if I am missing something. I'm quite sure it's accurate. --LanceHaverkamp 02:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Lance, I'm not the one who made the change, so I don't know what would have been erroneous, except that I did notice this. When you added the information, you posted, "The original six principles from Hebrews 6:1-2 were changed to:" This may be wherein the objection lies, since the web site doesn't use the term "changed to". - Rlvaughn 03:36, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mr.Haverkamp, I think you know full well that the objection comes from your statement that we changed the six principles of Hebrews 6:1-2. We did nothing of the kind. The web site indicates the core beliefs of the SPB, not that any changes were made to the core values. After having spoken with Reverend Allen, I find that you wanted to join the SPB ministers group but wound up not doing so due to some disagreements. Some advice - If you want to join something you do not insult and criticize it. You become part of it and work from the inside to better it. That is, if such can be done. In this case you could not, and would not have, changed the SPB foundational beliefs which are straight out of Holy Scripture. Chaplain Burnette 05:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi,

I can easily see that it would appear so...I did question the SPB discussion list about a few items that appeared to look either confusing or questionable on the SPB tripod site, I got very little response & found further inquires on the subject blocked from the discussion list. Getting no real answers to some very basic apparent discrepancies, I went ahead & changed the listing here to reflect the facts as best as they are represented on the group's tripod site:

I cannot find any documentation about the original denomination that makes any reference to the first five principles (or beliefs, or whatever you want to call those bulleted items on the SPB tripod site). If you can find some, great! Since they appear to be newly added, that's exactly what I said---I did not "insult and criticize". It sounds as though you may be in contact with the new group's webmaster; if the principles have not changed, I would recommend they clarify that better on the group's home page; since the old denomination didn't list those first five and the new group does--what other possible conclusion is there? As for my interest in the group...you're right I was interested; but when my questions were answered first by silence, then by censorship, I had absolutely no further interest in joining SPB! --LanceHaverkamp 23:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

P.S. please sign your posts, it's wiki policy.

Mr. Haverkamp, You said the original five principles had been combined into one and five new ones had been added. This is not true. The "bulleted items" you refer to are foundational concepts of the revived SPB, just as stated on the SPB web site. This is the correct and obvious conclusion. I think any intelligent and reasonable person will realize this now that the disconnect between the original and the revived SPB has been made more clear. (With thanks to Mr. Vaughn.)

The first five were not stated as being held to by the original SPB in notes and references that are available to us today. However, I cannot imagine that these values were not held dear by them as well.

I am absolutely certain your questions were not answered "first by silence then by censorship". I have known Dr. Allen personally for some years now and am quite sure you were shown openness, honesty, and a good attitude. Chaplain Burnette 05:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)