Talk:Gdańsk Pomerania

This used to be a proper (albeit somewhat short (though not really, almost DYK sized)) article about the historical and geographic region [1] before it was changed into a redirect, effectively deleting the existing article without a proper AfD discussion, [2] - in fact there was no discussion about this anywhere what so ever.

Currently the article redirects to Pomeranian Voivodeship, which is a modern political entity. However, the previous article was about a historical term, which is still often used. In fact, in the previous article, which was effectively deleted without an AfD, the text clearly stated that it is a "a geographical region in northern Poland covering eastern part of Pomeranian Voivodeship" - hence, Gdańsk Pomerania is part of, but not equivalent to the modern voivodeship. We don't redirect Silesia to Lower Silesian Voivodeship so I'm not sure why we would want to do this here. If anything I guess "Gdańsk Pomerania" could redirect to Pomeralia (or possibly, vice versa) and it is true that in some contexts those terms are used interchangeably. Strangely enough, inter wiki links to that article were also removed, right prior to the redirecting [3]. Additionally a 'merge' template had been previously removed by User Olessi [4] for the very excellent reason that the proposed merger was never discussed or brought up on talk. In fact, the only comments made in edit summaries very clearly opposed that proposed merger (for example here).

There's also the article Eastern Pomerania but merging these two articles was also opposed, as evidence by the creation of this one [5]. Additionally the term "Eastern Pomerania" is not very much in use, compared to "Gdańsk Pomerania" - it's sort of like referring to Wales as "Western UK"; makes sense geographically but not very common.

Anyway, bottom line is that the previously existing article was erased/deleted without - and in fact in opposition to the apparent - consensus and the present redirect doesn't make sense.

So I think that we should either restore the old version of the article or redirect it to something other than a modern day political entity.Volunteer Marek (talk) 06:05, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The term "Gdańsk_Pomerania" is widely used in the relevant literature and sources. There are almost 2000 hits for it on google books (the fact that the search term includes the word "Pomerania" rather than "Pomorze" or "Pommern" should screen out Polish and German language sources) [6]. Looking through the first few pages, NONE of these sources are referring to the modern entity of the Pomeranian Voivodeship.Volunteer Marek (talk) 06:10, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this is rather obvious case. The term exists, as does the location. There is no need for redirect.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 12:21, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I concur, not seeing any reason for redirecting. If there is no consensus for redirecting, which is a form of deletion, the article should be restored, and if anybody disagrees, nominated for deletion. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 17:11, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This page is mythology. Pure Polish propaganda. 2A00:23C4:B617:7501:150E:7CDF:7EFE:9E2B (talk) 18:49, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]