Talk:Gateshead Talmudical College

Merge proposal

I think Sunderland Talmudical College should be merge into this article, as it was merely a forerunner of today's Gateshead institution, and not a separate entity

— superbfc [ talk | cont ] — 17:49, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

This is factually incorrect. Sunderland Yeshiva was founded about 15 years later than Gateshead Yeshiva. Moreover, Sunderland Yeshiva still exists as a separate yeshiva having no connection with Gateshead Yeshiva.--Redaktor 18:33, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Well in that case, it needs to be made clearer that the two institutions are separate. The implication from reading the Sunderland article is that "it moved to Gateshead" so hence it would not be unreasonale to assume that it "became" the Gateshead Yeshiva. If I mistakenly inferred something which wasn't true, then that is a failing which needs to be corrected by someone who knows more about the subject than I do.

— superbfc [ talk | cont ] — 22:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Sunderland Yeshiva moved to Gateshead, where it continues to be known as Sunderland Yeshiva. Would you like to suggest a suitable form of words to avoid ambiguity?--Redaktor 23:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Done

— superbfc [ talk | cont ] — 23:11, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Number of students

I think that it only hits 400 for a month or so, when English yeshiva bochurim return to England and stay there until the beginning of the winter zeman. For the rest of the year, I think 300 - 350 is a much more representative number.

Mr FFB 17:12, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

a little exaggeration

"one of the most prestigious yeshiva gedolas in the Orthodox world". I really don't think anyone in the Orthodox world in Israel or America would put Gateshead in the list of most 10 (or even 30) important Yeshivas. The current Rosh Yeshiva (and those before him) and almost all of the prominent alumni are relatively unknown out of Europe. 128.139.226.37 21:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Gateshead Yeshiva would be recognised widely as one of the top 10 yeshivas in the world. The previous rosh yeshiva (Rabbi Leib Gurwicz) was a very prominent figure in the Orthodox Jewish world, and the current rosh yeshiva is well-known in yeshiva circles in Israel and America. --Redaktor (talk) 15:08, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Louis Jacobs

User:Redaktor has removed Louis Jacobs from the list of alumni, with the edit summary "Louis Jacobs not an alumnus of Gateshead Yeshiva".

Can we clarify this?

According to the obit in the Independent, "Born in 1920, Louis Jacobs grew up in Manchester, where he attended the local rabbinical school and went for advanced studies to Gateshead." [1]

The Forward wrote: "Identified by his teachers as an ilui, a talmudic genius — renowned even then for his prodigious memory and sharp intellect — he went on to study at the Gateshead Kollel, which at that time was considered the Oxford of rabbinical academies. The only native-born student at Gateshead in the late 1930s, Jacobs came of age among Central European rabbinical students and scholars who had fled the growing Nazi threat. The classic German model of rabbi-scholar shaped Jacobs’s rabbinic profile." [2]

And the Telegraph wrote: "From there [Manchester] Jacobs proceeded to Gateshead, Britain's greatest Yeshiva, or seminary, where his study partner was Leib Grosnass, later a judge on the London Beis Din." [3]

Pending clarification, it seems reasonable to add Rabbi Jacobs back into the list of alumni? Jheald (talk) 12:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, so I take the point that the Kollel is not strictly the same as the Yeshiva. Should there not be a article or a section or a paragraph here on the Kollel then, discussing its relationship? Jheald (talk) 10:44, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

There is no relationship between the Kollel and Gateshead Yeshiva. The Telegraph report is imprecise. --Redaktor (talk) 17:53, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Non-famous alumni

While I personally know exactly who, for example, Rabbi Yisroel Meir Greenberg and Rabbi Harvey Belovski are, I'm not sure they and others like them deserve to be called "famous alumni." The list here includes some respected community Rabbis, but they are hardly of international (or even, in some cases, national) fame. Would it be reasonable to trim the list of alumni to include only those of particular note? Fish. (talk) 10:18, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Rabbi Yisroel Meir Greenberg is the Rabbi of Golders Green Beth Hamedrash ("Munks") see http://ggbh.info. That is famous enough in the context of Gateshead graduates! Benqish (talk) 13:55, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

What exactly is the meaning of "gone off" in parentheses following "Rabbi Daniel Lapin"?--WJD 22:14, 13 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wjdavidson (talk • contribs)

List should be of notable staff and alumni

Which means that they should already have, or be deserving of, wikipedia articles. -- Avi (talk) 18:29, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Assessment meanings

The assessment is a specific wikipedia rating, Redaktor. Of course the Yeshiva is important vis-a-vis us frum yidden, but the wikipedia ratings indicate which articles are necessary to read in order to get a good understanding of the project's topic. So, while reading about yeshivas in general is important to understand Judaism from a wikipedia persepctive, any one yeshiva (well maybe Sura or Naharda'a or Pumpedisa are exceptions) is not necessary to understand Judaism. If there was a Wikiproject Yeshivos, I'd say Gateshead would be Mid and Volozhin/Mir would be High, but this is not WP:Yeshivos but WP:Judaism. I made the same mistake years ago myself. -- Avi (talk) 15:42, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Notable graduate measure

An ongoing survey about the top 3 officers of the top 500 American companies, not necessarily measured the same way each time (to be fair to the various research groups) asks:

to which universit(ies) did you go.

Even if someone received only a B.A. from this university, and then their MBA elsewhere, there's a checkmark for this university.

On the basis of the above, they proclaim themselves the #2 American univeristy for (something about business). Their MBA graduates have plenty of notability, but the above "statistic" puts them much much higher.

Same thing might apply to "graduates of" Gateshead.

With THOUSANDS of graduates, as of this writing there are only 17 listed as notable. 11 have either a Wiki article and/or a source to having studies at Gateshead. Some articles point to "Gateshead" (or, for example, "Baltimore") rather than "Gateshead Talmudical College." (fixed one) Pi314m (talk) 23:13, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

So? Debresser (talk) 23:02, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

I was noting that lack of articles (for alumni) is not the same as not article-worthy. Since you had hatnoted the section and made a SUMMARY comment "Too many people without articles" I focused my fixup on that. By the way, thanks on your help within several articles. Pi314m (talk) 04:26, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

I see. Thank you for your help. Debresser (talk) 17:27, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Sorry that I previously omitted the main point to answering "So?" which is... that in reading one biography I realized that Gateshead was NOT his main place of learning, just a checkMark and that's why I wrote the above re top 500/top 3/checkMark Pi314m (talk) 09:56, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Gateshead "girls"

Prior to recent editing, the article put buildings before Hashkafa; now, Hashkafa comes first, then buildings. Buildings can also refer to "Gateshead Foundation for Torah" (section added). With this double Mechitza, explanation is needed for how Boro Park girls can put Gateshead on their Shidduch resumes (NYTimes). The answer is that Bewick Road has buildings for men, and a building for these future wives: Jewish Teachers' Training College, Gateshead. Pi314m (talk) 10:28, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

re. allegations of abuse at gateshead talmudical college

the story re. alg, and the accusations some have made, should be treated in a more encyclopedic manner. numbers of victims, names and dates etc. currently it looks like a tabloid article Tullius cicero1 (talk) 15:32, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

to hotreid613@ you need to have a big think why the other 400 bochurim who know about the story haven't been mefarsem it. any yerei shomayim knows that we deal with these problems WITHIN the community, not thru publicising it on open platforms! (ESPECIALLY to such a choshve mishpocho). your a disgrace to yidishkeit Chochomharozim (talk) 13:22, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree. Such awful writing: "alg [gateshead's todros grynhaus[15]] was me'aness"! alg isn't a name. Basic grammar including even capital letters are lacking. What is me'aness, Yesivish for rape? And, worst of all, there are no proper references to the allegations of sexual assault. Benqish (talk) 09:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC)