Talk:Garni

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Here's a great aerial shot of Garni. --Kober^Talk 19:01, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Inscription

There seems to be some confusion with the Greek inscription recorded in the article. The first part is indeed in perfect Koine Greek μηδέν λαβόντες ηργασάμεθα or ΜΗΔΕΝ ΛΑΒΟΝΤΕΣ ΗΡΓΑΣΑΜΕΘΑ (transliteration: medhen labontes ergasametha) which translates comfortably as "without receiving anything we toiled". Rather curiously it seems to refer to workmen who laboured without getting paid (?). The rest of the inscription is in perfect Modern Greek: κανένα νεκρό δε μας έδωσε η θάλασσα ούτε ο ωκεανός or ΚΑΝΕΝΑ ΝΕΚΡΟ ΔΕ ΜΑΣ ΕΔΩΣΕ Η ΘΑΛΑΣΣΑ ΟΥΤΕ Ο ΩΚΕΑΝΟΣ (transliteration: kanena nekro de mas edose i thalassa oute o okeanos) and means "neither the sea nor the ocean gave us any dead(????????)" which seems a bit nonsensical and is most certainly linguistically incompatible in terms of chronology. I found this incorrect version in several different pages about Garni but I can't imagine where this mistake originates from. BTW it must be an excellent site! Has there been any monograph on the temple's architecture and restoration? If someone has further information please add it. Armenia has wonderful monuments but unfortunately it is so poorly known in this part of the world (Greece)--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 16:22, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Help needed

It's a pity that this article has not yet been adequately expanded. Garni is a most interesting site, but the lack of ample English, French or German bibliography is debilitating. I found a very convenient literature overview that might help somebody competent in Armenian and Russian (unfortunately I speak neither of those languages). I will post it here in the hope that somebody has both the access and the courage to tackle with it:

Hnahitakan peghoisnere hayastanoim [sic--it probably should be peghusnere hayastanum], no. 15: Garni (Erevan: Haykakan SSH Gitutyunneri Akademiayi Hratarakchutyun).

Arakelian, B.N. "Znachenie raskopok v Garni dlya izuchenia kultury drevne Armenii" [Importance of the Excavations in Garni for the Study of the Culture of Ancient Armenia], Vestnik Drevnei Istorii (Moscow) (1953).

Arakelian, B.N., E.V. Khanzadian, and Zh.D. Kachatrian. Garni, 5 vols. (Erevan: Haykakan SSH Gitutyuneri Akademiayi Hratarakchutyun, 1951-[1972?]).

Derenik Episkopos [Poladian]. Hayastan: Garni alpom (Beirut, 1959).

Grigorian, A. and N. Stepanian. Erevan, Garni, Gegard, Echmiadzin, Ashtarak (Moscow: Izdatelstvo "Isskusstvo," 1985.

Manandyan, Hakob. Garnii Hunaren ardzanagrutyune ev Garnii hetanosakan tachari karutsman zhamanake (Erevan: Pethamalsarani Hratarakchutyun, 1946).

Petrosyan, H.L. Garnin IX-XIV darerum, ed. B.N. Arakelyan (Erevan: Haykakan SSH GA Hratarakchutyun, 1988).

Sahinyan, A.A. Garni-Geghard (Erevan: "Sovetakan Grogh," 1978).

________. Garnii antik karuytsneri chartarapetutyune (Erevan: Haykakan SSH GA Hratarakchutyun, 1983).

Sainian, A.A. Arkhitektura antichnykh sooruzhenii Garni (Erevan: "Sovetakan Grokh," 1988).

Sainian, A. Garni i Gegard (Moscow: "Isskusstvo," 1958.

Sainian, Aleksandr. Teorii Vitruviia o stroenii khramov i antichnyi khram v Garni: [Doklad]: II Mezhdunarodnyi simpozium po armianskomu iskusstvu (Erevan: Izdatelstvo AN ArmSSR, 1978).

Sainjar, Aleksandr Aramovic. Arkhitekturnye panjatniki Garni i Gegarda (Erevan: "Izdatelstvo "Aiastan," 1969). (Sahinyan, Sainian, and Sainjar are varients of the same name).

Sekoyan, V.G. Garni, Gehard / Garni, Gekhard (Erevan: "Hayastan," 1987).

Ter-Martirosov, Feliks. Garni amrotsi tachara: Hereon, vkayaran (Erevan: Razmavarakan ew Azgayin Hetazotutyunneri Haykakan Kentron, 1995).

Trevor, K.V. Ocherki po istorii kultury drevnei Armenii, II v. ddo N.E.-IV v. N.E. (Moscow: Izdatelstvo Akademii Nauk SSSR, 1953).

Wilkinson, R.D. "A Fresh Look at the Ionic Building at Garni," Revue des Etudes Armeniennes, n.s. XVI (1982), pp. 221-244.

Thanks in advance--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 19:46, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to get this article into a decent state and possibly into a good article by years end. I suggest creating a separate article on the temple site alone, this way we can also DYK it.-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 22:55, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed the temple/funeral monument(?) deserves to be treated separately, but before creating an article on the building some decent literature has to be cited first. For the time being, most references are actually second hand and somewhat vague. If the new article is to be DYKed it has to be well referenced, so finding Wilkinson's paper would be a good start (I already tried but unsuccessfully). On a side note, I find that the temple is not the only notewrthy feature of Garni. The site in its entirety is interestning and has a rather varied history. I' ve seen some photos of the Christian monuments in the area and I was amazed, we must most certainly expand the original article. Nice to see you are still around Eupator, its always a pleasure interacting with you--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 08:26, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Likewise. Wilkinson's paper is actually the origin of the claim that the temple was built for Sohaemus. I'll try and find it.-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 20:47, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The preceeding discussion actually belongs to the Garni Temple article. This is what happens when people decide to move or split articles in a haphazard way.--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 08:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]