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Galindians In Iberia

Unfortunately Roman resources don't mention any Galindian migration to Iberia. However, later Iberian resources record the Galìndaez dynasty in Aragon AznarGalindez (talk) 04:06, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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All my edits are based on the latest archeological, craniological, ethnographical, genetic, linquistic, etc. data and, of course, on interpretations of both the mentioned data and written historical sources by Lithuanian, Russian, Latvian and Polish researchers. Gugutis 11:38, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a reason to eliminate wikification. Please consult WP:MOS. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 15:00, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have began to read the latest archeological researches and, as I see, the Golyad (of Russia) and Galindians (of Prussia) were really different and had only the common (or better to say close) name. The etymology of two names are still discussed. Probably, it would be right to write different articles on two tribes. - 87.252.227.121 (talk) 21:12, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

For my proposition that western galindians settled further west than any other ..., take a look at the various historical and archeological maps. Gugutis 14:10, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I still see that you did not understand the main issue – cite you sources, for example: Galindians should be de divided into two groups – Western and eastern ^[1] and similar . References are very useful for other contributors. Next, nobody is writing here different languages names in the division leads. M.K. 14:19, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

^ Write here your academic sources which implies such division

Ye. Thanks for advice. However, in this respect the only matter is our's common sense. Gugutis 08:41, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved information here, because of removal by Gugutis

Part of the Galindians had allied with the Saxons in their struggle against Charlemagne's christianisation take-over-attempts and went to battle with the Saxons to western Europe, where they are believed to be referenced to in the Song of Roland. Thus the name Galindo became a family name of a number of Spanish and through them Mexican and California people and still is a family name in Germany as well. Labbas 19 October 2006

This information – excepting, maybe, a hint about the Galindian-originated family name in Germany – is nobody else than tall stories for amateurs. Gugutis 12:07, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just pulled out this paragraph:

Some Galindians are known to have joined Germanic groups as early as the Visigoths going westwards to Spain and later Saxons against Charlemagne. Thus the family name Galindo, still found in Germany today, has become very numerous in Spain and thus in America as well.

Thoroughly unreferenced. MapMaster 03:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

etymology

Two different explanations about the etymology of the word "Galindians" (galas = "the end" and more below the passage about Western Galindians gilus = "deep")! What is true? --Hl1948 (talk) 12:26, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Most probably not. Russian wiki has this information:

Лингвистами восстанавливается этноним *galind, который восходит к балт. *gal (лит. galas, лат. gals) «конец, край». Таким образом этноним галинды, как и голядь (др.-рус. Голѧдь), обозначает «жителей окраины» (в данном случае — окраины балтийского расселения).

This one translates roughly as march(territory) in english language.

Согласно другой точке зрения, учитывающей фольклорные представления о галиндах как великанах, слово «галинд» (прусск. galindis, лит. galìndas) считается родственным с лит. galìngas («сильный, могучий, мощный»):

Other translation is as mighty(that includes powerful or strong). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.121.61.15 (talk) 08:45, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Split proposal

These two tribes are unrelated to each other and should not be grouped into one article. I propose that this article be split into two articles, "Western Galindians" and "Eastern Galindians". The same goes for this article's sister article, "Galindian language", see its split discussion here. – Treetoes023 (talk) 19:25, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This is a murky subject and several experts argue about their connection. The article is not that big and splitting actually will IMO decrease the readability on the subject. Most overview sources place them into the same (small) section because there is close to nothing factual known about them. Of course there are many sources with lengthy speculations, which are rather shaky and not commonly accepted. - Altenmann >talk 21:20, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support While it is true that they're sometimes lumped together, to me it seems like a case of argumentum ad ignorantiam, because there is no academic census or clear evidence about them being the same tribe or "Eastern Galindians" being descendants of "Western Galindians". However, instead of splitting into articles "Western Galindians" and "Eastern Galindians", I would propose creating an article "Golyad" about the recorded Slavic name for a Baltic tribe that is believed to have lived in the basin of the Protva River and may or may not have had something to do with Galindians, while reserving this article for "Western Galindians" with appropriate mentions of their possible connection with the "Golyads". As a recent major contributor to the Dnieper Balts article, maybe you have something to say on this matter, Cukrakalnis? –Turaids (talk) 21:14, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Turaids Thanks for the heads up. Support the split. I disagree that the tribes were unrelated to each other because they were after all Baltic, so there was some kinship, but I still support the split because the Western and Eastern Galindians were located in clearly different locations, separated by hundreds of kilometers, so they obviously had clear differences and can be distinguished from one another. After all, their very names come from being at the edge of the Baltic inhabited territories at a certain point in time, so they probably unintentionally ended up having the same name because they were both at the edges. Cukrakalnis (talk) 22:22, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Cukrakalnis: When I said that these tribes are unrelated I meant that they are of different Baltic branches so they are not directly related to each other, sorry for the confusion. – Treetoes023 (talk) 04:24, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh ok, that makes more sense, thanks for the clarification. Cukrakalnis (talk) 09:20, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: no objection to new subarticles being created, but there is no need for a split - this article is not too long and those sections are not overly detailed. _{Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here} 08:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Write here your academic sources which implies such division

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