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Section "Ethnogenesis"

@Ethnic laundry: your post in the talk page of User:Glennznl has brought me here. Just a question about the section "Ethnogenesis": I haven't checked in the page history whether this section is your contribution, but since you have contested the OR-tag by saying "I am the creator of the page, and have authored most of the content", I assume this also applies to the section in question. The entire part only has one citation, viz. the primary source of the quote from the US Commissioner. The text that frames it is entirely unsourced. Are these your own conclusions based on this quote, or can you provide a source that comes in support of the statements in the framing text? Don't get me wrong, the text agrees pretty much with how I see things too, but this definitely needs a reliable source. Oh, and just a note about "material behind high-cost paywalls": modern scholarly text (which often are non-free content) are the preferred sources for this kind of topic. –Austronesier (talk) 10:27, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Original" / "Unsourced" Content

Beginning with your edit of the article "Gaddang people" on October 14, 2021 an Original Research template-tag appears at the top. I am making the assumption that you placed the Tag

I am the creator of the page, and have authored most of the content. I have spent some time over several years on this article, updating it as source-material became available on-line or in generally-available published form. I TRY to avoid references to material behind high-cost paywalls, off-line material out-of-print for more than 75 years or only available in foreign languages. As historic material has become available via the Internet Archive, I have incorporated it as soon as I can.

No effort appears to have been made to specifically identify the information or section you are considering to be Original Research (OR). Neither has any conversation on this issue appeared on: the article talk-page, my talk-page, or any communication I have found (and I have looked!). Possibly, such communication was overlooked among the enormous number of edits you process.

Will you please acknowledge your introduction of this template-tag and provide information so a correction or citation can be prepared? Or - if it is NOT your doing, please let me know so I can try to discuss with the originator.

Thank you / Ethnic laundry (talk) 05:09, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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@Ethnic laundry: Thanks for reaching out. I did place the tag as you noticed correctly, and I did not start a discussion on the talk page since I assumed not many people would read/reply/take action after doing so.

My biggest concerns with the article were already rectified by my first edit which deleted a number of unsourced and sometimes opinionated texts. For example:

What makes the Gaddang a distinct people? They are tiny group, who often identify themselves by their locality (eg: Cauayan) instead of as Gaddang. Their customs do not remarkably differ from their neighbors. But they have through history remained in a compact geographic location of less than a third of a million hectares (extreme distances: Bayambong to Ilagan = 100 Km, Echague to Natonin = 50 Km). And, unlike the biblical Hebrews, it is their continuous occupation of their historic riverbank and hillside population centers - as well as their distinct tongue - which has made them who they are.

While consistently identifying the Gaddang as a distinct group, historic sources have done a poor job of recording specific cultural practices, and material available on the language has been difficult to access.

This caused me to have concerns for the rest of the text. Some unsourced sentences and paragraphs still exist here and there, so I put up the template. Hopefully you understand my reason to do so and the remainder of the unsourced texts can be properly sourced too. --Glennznl (talk) 10:56, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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@Glennznl: and @Austronesier: -

I want to thank you for your support and encouragement.

I married a Gaddang woman from Bayombong 45 years ago. I visit and regularly communicate with many relatives in Nueva Vizcaya and Isabela. I have been one of several admins in on-line groups trying to reconcile and preserve Gaddang language.

This article originated when I looked into resources for Gaddang culture and history. Many discussions incorporated material originating with a well-meaning person who indicated the Gaddang people sprang from the lost continent of Mu. In the context of then-impending Indigenous Peoples legislation, I felt it important to aggregate reliable sources in an accessible (and non-scholarly) form for the many young Gaddang whose interest in their heritage would soon be kindled.

I not only sought and chose sources from a vast, obscure, and contradictory array of sources. I also evaluated their reliability, and tested them by engaging with Gaddang elders (many now deceased, alas), language scholars, and anthropologists employed in academia, government, and religious-sponsored organizations. A connection at Internet Archive has helped prioritize the processing of material for my needs. Over the past 3-4 months I got help identifying un-referenced concepts and identified sources. I expanded text where I previously let a link to another Wikipedia article carry the burden. I have addressed the specifics each of you raised. I recognize the article may still contain unsourced sentences and words, but believe no original research of substance remains.

At this time, I am removing the 10/21 ORIGINAL RESEARCH tag. Please contact me if you have further issues. Thanks!

Ethnic laundry (talk) 16:50, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ethnic laundry: Thanks for improving the article, it is much better sourced now. --Glennznl (talk) 23:44, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reputable source on unmanaged host

I have used a reference to Blogger web-content that was originated by the head of the provincial museum and library for the Philippine Province of Isabela in 2001 and last updated in 2018.

I confirmed with the Department of Tourism - Region II that the author (Troy Alexander Gozum Miano of Cabatuan, Isabela) prepared and published that content as a part of his official duties, that he has the academic credentials he claims, and that he has access to the historic material he is presenting. An official statement of welcome to Mr. Miano can be found here^[1]. I also communicated with the President of the University of Saint Louis, Tuguegaro; I was informed that Mr. Miano has a sound reputation in the Cagayan Region academic community.

The content of History of the Province of Isabela -- a pictoral history -- contains a good deal of verbal and pictoral information that is not otherwise available on the web (Mr. Miano is curator of the original documents). It would be a shame to disallow valuable and attested information because budget considerations have made Mr. Miano publish his work on a site used by others who are not careful Ethnic laundry (talk) 16:37, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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^ http://www.region2fun.ph/dot-region-2-welcome/

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