Talk:GFriend/Archive 1

Archive 1

Use sources correctly

The source listed as being from Hankyung is actually from 10Asia, and the one listed as being from Chosun Ilbo is from Osen. Hankyung and CI just reprinted those articles, they didn't write them; it's pretty obvious from looking at the bottom of the articles. Find the original articles and list them with the proper sources. Also, link the translations with your citations also, unless you actually read those Korean articles. Because if you really had read those Korean articles, this article would probably be longer. As it is, is says nearly nothing. You can't use a source that you didn't even read. Alleged sources or not, this article needs a lot lot lot more information to prove this group is notable. (Overall, the mere existence of a brand new group does not mean they are notable enough for an article.) Shinyang-i (talk) 03:25, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 17 August 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Calidum 02:36, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

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GFriend → G-Friend (band) – The word "GFriend" can still be a short-formed slang of "Girlfriend" to some people, which could be confusing to some readers. Also, since they are a group with a commonly known name of "Girlfriend" or "Gfriend" for short, it's best to move this page as titled in their official Facebook Page. And since they are a group, to avoid further confusion to the commonly used word, the word "band" is needed in the title. Tibbydibby (talk) 01:16, 17 August 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 22:36, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose - per WP:COMMONNAME. GFriend is more used: in their official twitter,youtube,fancafé,instagram or sources. And also there is no other article named Gfriend, so moving article to G-Friend (band) or GFriend (band) is not needed per WP:DISAMBIG, WP:NATURALDIS. Donottroll (talk) 02:39, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
• Comment. Allkpop calls them "G-Friend," so I'd go with that. G-Friend is already a redirect to this page, so there is no need for disambiguation. The Korean language and Konglish sites linked to above generally give the name of the band as "GFRIEND" or "여자친구 GFRIEND." That doesn't cut it as standard English, I'm afraid. H. Humbert (talk) 10:32, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Allkpop is not a reliable source (See WP:KO/RS. Donottroll (talk) 13:54, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
    • So Konglish Twitter and YouTube are your idea of RS? I certainly don't see how they can be considered good sources for English language names. The reality is that we have to base our decisions on what we have access to. The page you cite complains that allkpop publishes gossip. But I assume they know the names of the bands they cover. Reliability is not binary. We can judge various sources as reliable for different kinds of information. See WP:IRS. H. Humbert (talk) 15:28, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
      • I don't see any reason why we should ignore RS and use some gossip site instead. WP:COMMONNAME is clear in this regard. "Wikipedia prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources)" mWave iTunes Billboard . Donottroll (talk) 16:30, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
• weak oppose twitter[1] and most other references call them gfriend or mention both. Media peops are clever and they may have just used the "g-friend" presentation in facebook to increase there reachability via potentially used search terms. It doesn't really matter. GregKaye 10:48, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

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Filmography citations

To be blunt almost the entire section could be deleted due to lack of sources save perhaps the music videos since notability can arguably be proved through the songs sales. What is needed though is finding reliable sources to establish the notability of the groups appearances on variety shows, their reality series, and cameos in other music videos. I actually think the show appearances that were included all looking appropriate, but there still needs to be at least one citation for each appearance otherwise people can start making stuff up and putting it in there. Unbelievably, I have seen that happen before and it went unnoticed for far longer than it should have. If you need help finding reliable sources this page can be helpful. Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Reliable sourcesPeachywink (talk) 20:16, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Peachywink, I have added sources for almost all appearances listed in the Filmography section. Is this acceptable enough to remove the tag? Katzenlibrary (talk) 22:38, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

I went ahead and removed it. I did notice not every item is cited but it doesn't bother me since the selection is conservative and not simply a list of every single show the girls have ever been on which I would take issue with. Thank you for all the work you put into the page.Peachywink (talk) 03:24, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Absolutely! There were some appearances I couldn't find references for, but I'm still looking and will add them as I find them. Thanks for removing the tag! Katzenlibrary (talk) 17:24, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

International Concerts

Should a new sub-section be added to talk about GFriend's appearance in international concerts? (ex. the 2016 Toronto concert, the 2016 KCON Los Angeles concert). Gfriendbuddy (talk) 06:35, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Members table

Do not readd the member table. Birthdays are not encyclopedic on group articles nor reliably sourced. A simple list which can later be converted to prose is all that's necessary. Shinyang-i (talk) 08:57, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

abour members birthday it from source music and source music is the agency that overshadows them so the birthday comes from a trusted source. if it continues like this it changes for the better and is deleted again because the change is not from reliable article and only knows after that it must be deleted? need source music to change it? Gfriend.ioi (talk) 22:05, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

• The agency is not a reliable source, Gfriend.ioi. Please copy edit for proper grammar before you post messages or make article edits. Drmies (talk) 22:07, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

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GFriend disbandment?

The first source I saw on GFriend's recent news was this article from TenAsia in Korea, which states that the group is disbanding. But I just noticed that US sources are just describing it as members "going their seperate ways."

https://tenasia.hankyung.com/music/article/2021051846674%7C

How do we know for sure what's fact? Its always been an issue of debate in the past with groups like B.A.P, Kara, and EXID where no disbandment was ever announced but it was up to us to determine what the news meant. In the case of B.A.P and Kara it was said that the groups were disbanded due to reliable news sources citing such. Would that case apply here? - K-popguardian (talk) 04:02, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Update: So from what I've gathered online TenAsia was not only the first news source to actually report on the subjects of contracts, but they also announced this prior to Source Music's statement was released. I don't know if that adds any weight to the validity of this article or not though. - K-popguardian (talk) 04:06, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

@K-popguardian: TenAsia isn't always accurate in their reporting. Which was why I replaced the source with more notable ones like Sports Donga. As far as I have read in most source like Newsen, Sports Donga, MT Star News, MBN, and many more, all are just reposting the statement released by Source Music with some information about GFriend history. However, no one other than TenAsia reported them as disband. The top 3 unreliable source (Koreaboo, Allkpop and Soompi) didn't reported it as such either. Neither, did the official statement stated it as such other than saying "going their own ways", which isn't every clear either because it can either means, they are individually going their own ways or separating from Source Music. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 04:18, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

About the rejection of the artist Kim So jung (actress)/Sowon's page submission

I have nearly 3 years of self-taught experience in writing Wikipedia, but only in Chinese. When I checked the English version of the artist's Wikipedia, I found that the administrator - User:AngusWOOF said that the artist was not well known and rejected a previously written English version. In other words, the administrator said that the artist has still not shown independent notabilitiy. I really do not understand the reason, until now still cannot be approved to take back the page, may I ask who can help to explain and solve the problem with the administrator?--Buddyforever (talk) 03:14, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

• Buddyforever, Angus didn't "reject" that version, which BTW had no content at all; they redirected what was not even an article. Notability would need to be established with secondary sources that fulfill WP:BANDMEMBER. Also, Angus isn't an administrator, though that doesn't matter here--and there is no "problem" here. Drmies (talk) 03:23, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Drmies, thanks for your explaination, I really appreciated it. If I have any other questions, I'll put them here.--Buddyforever (talk) 03:41, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Hiatus not disbandment

Sowon have citied in an interview the group has not disbanded and is on interview https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=liGOhTblq4s&feature=share%3Ft%3D1100s Mystery0603 (talk) 19:21, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Technically they are buddy, I'm a buddy too but we need to slap reality on our face. I'm sorry for my words. 118.101.207.125 (talk) 23:51, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Gfriend has not disbanded

@Snowflake91: Hi, according to Sowon in June 2024, the group has not disbanded, and even mentioned the possibility of reuniting. This is the article [2], and Osen is a reliable source according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Reliable sources. Theknine2 (talk) 19:49, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

What she says in a random TV variety show interview to comfort the fans is completely irrelevant, the group has been disbanded since 2021, reported as such by all media outlets, and that's pretty much it. How can they not be disbanded if they are out of contract and Source Music closed the group, and haven't performed for 3+ years? And even if OSEN is a reliable source, Sowon herself is not as this is WP:PRIMARY. And this is not the first time she claimed that, see one section above, same thing from 2023. Snowflake91 (talk) 19:53, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

sowon herself is a primary source as she is a member of said group, how are a words of the group's member, which as you stated repeated multiple times irrelevant. Mystery0603 (talk) 20:28, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Because primary sources should NOT be used like that, she is directly related to the subject and is therefore not a reliable source, she can also claim that GFriend is the best group ever, and so what, are you going to add it just because she claimed it? They are disbanded unless they would actually sign a contract with some label and start re-promoting as "GFriend", but they probably can't even do that since Source owns the rights to their name, songs and everything else. Snowflake91 (talk) 20:32, 16 June 2024 (UTC)