Talk:Fun, Fun, Fun

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Composition / history

Nice story there in §Composition, but there are plenty more. I've taken it out and substituted the history, straight from the ~~horse's~~ lyricist's mouth, with references.

From an interview with Mike Love of The Beach Boys:

Songfacts: The song "Fun, Fun, Fun," now that was based on a real person, right? What was it, a DJ's daughter, Shirley?

Mike: No. I don't know about that. I suggested that we write a song about a girl who borrows her dad's car and goes cruising, rather than to the library, "like she told her old man, now." So I came up with the concept and the lyrics, and Brian went in and recorded the track. And I even told him, it's got to start like a Chuck Berry song with a guitar lead intro, which Carl Wilson supplied. And so that's how that came to pass.

As far as I knew, there was no particular person that was the inspiration for that song. It was more generic. Because, what kid, when they get their driver's license, doesn't want to borrow the family car and they go cruisin' to the hamburger stand, or they say they need to go to the library, but who knows? [Laughing] Sometimes other thoughts become more attractive.

The Songfacts page about "Fun, Fun, Fun" quotes from that interview, and goes on:

Here are the most common stories we've heard about who the girl is supposedly about: [I've highlighted the names of the girl / place. --Thnidu (talk)]

A girl Beach Boys drummer Dennis Wilson was dating. She came from a rich family in Palos Verdes, Los Angeles and used to tell her father she was going to study at the library and needed his Ford Thunderbird to get there. Instead of driving to the library, she would hang out with Dennis at his apartment. Dennis would say, "We'll have fun till her daddy takes the T'bird away," and this became the hook.
Shirley Johnson England, whose father, Howard, owned the Utah radio station KNAK. Shirley claims that she used to borrow her dad's T-Bird, and one day got caught taking it to the drive-in instead of the library. The Beach Boys spent a lot of time at the station for promotional appearances, and when they heard this story, they wrote the song about Shirley.

Comments [from website readers]:

The real story is about Marianne, who attended Hollywood High with the Beach Boys. Her dad owned a car dealership and when one of his customer's order of a T-bird came in, in the wrong color (pink), he immediately wanted a refund. Marianne begged her father to give her the car and he relented, hence the song.
The real story takes place in Salt Lake City where the girl's dad was the manager of a radio station. The father liked the Beach Boys and promoted them. The Beach Boys happened to be at the station the the day that the daughter was complaining that the T-Bird had been taken away cuz she didn't got to the library the night before, as she had told her dad she was going to do.
I see many posts here about the infamous girl the song is so written about. Her name is Hesselyn Mcknight. …
this song was about my moms aunt she was friends with the beach boys …
This song was written when the band was at a radio station in Salt Lake City. …
She went to Hawthorne High school. … This is the REAL fun fun fun girl despite all the hype you hear. I should know, its my Aunt.
In those days, the kids from HHS would tell their parents they were going to the Hawthorne city library …

As you can see, several of these report the same stories. But I consider the guy who wrote the lyrics to be the most credible. --Thnidu (talk) 23:41, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Stereo version?

On SiriusXM radio today, they said that we were hearing the stereo version for the first time. But the stereo version has been out, so this must have been the first time SiriusXP was playing it, right? Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 23:33, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think there's been a stereo version for quite some time.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 23:38, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

...I stand corrected.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 00:37, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for that. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 00:50, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved

Stereo and mono differences

The statement that explains the differences between the original mono mix and the stereo re-release is already unsourced, but I can also hear another difference: the saxophones, which are almost inaudible in the mono mix, are prominent in the stereo mix. I'm not gonna make that change, but I think maybe there should be some mention of this difference somewhere in the article. I guess maybe the saxophones were mixed out of the original mono release or something like that.--67.162.235.138 (talk) 15:27, 1 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Same chord progression as "Da Doo Ron Ron?" Oy, I don't think so!

@Binksternet:@Ilovetopaint:@Sjones23: The article states that Philip Lambert says that the chord progressions of Fun, Fun, Fun are similar to "Da Doo Ron Ron." I invite the three contributing editors to this article who are pinged (and anyone else who cares to do it) to sing the melody of either song along with the other. (Use YouTube) You will learn that the backing chords do not match up. A fact confirmed by https://www.songsterr.com/a/wsa/beach-boys-fun-fun-fun-chords-s2833, and https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/the_crystals/da_doo_ron_ron_chords_507923. Now this would be original research IF it was serving as a reference for existing facts or facts to be added. However since this is a subtraction from the article—and confirmed by websites that specialize in chording information—I believe it's sufficient to warrant removing the factoid. Comments, please. Tapered (talk) 04:48, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

How about less of a global statement instead? More detail from the source? Lambert wrote that the two songs only shared a similarity in two phrases, as seen on page 138: "The initial two phrases are based on almost the same chord progression as the first two phrases of "Fun, Fun, Fun" and also share many melodic features." Binksternet (talk) 05:27, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ilovetopaint: @Binksternet: As per Binksternet's intelligent suggestion, I've modified the statement to reflect Lambert's full description. I believe that Binksternet owns the book! If anyone knows how to interpolate the page number into the reference 'further to the left,' feel free to do it. I'll learn from it. Regards Tapered (talk) 05:27, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Fun, Fun, Fun" Song Summary Is Incorrect.

The start of the main body of the article on "Fun, Fun, Fun" by the Beach Boys states that the song concludes when (quote):

"The narrator then comes to the girl's rescue with his own car."

(End quote).

I strongly object to this sentence, because the song's lyrics most definitely do not say this. The actual wording is, (quote): "You can come along with me/'Cause we got a lotta things to do now," (end quote), which doesn't even begin to hint at hot rodding. In fact, I interpret the sentence "we got a lotta things to do now" as a slightly suggestive invitation to "make out!"

I therefore propose the following [Notice! I have amended my proposed wording] edit:

I hereby move to strike out the sentence, "The narrator then comes to the girl's rescue with his own car" from the article on "Fun, Fun, Fun," and to insert, in place and in lieu thereof, the sentence "Near the end of the song, the song's narrator suggests that the girl accompany him, so that they may have 'Fun, Fun, Fun' engaging in other activities."

Is there a second to this proposed change? The Grand Rascal (talk) 12:23, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

NOTICE is hereby given that: (1) On Fri., 20-Sep-2019, it will be thirty days since this edit was first suggested; and that (2) Unless I receive objection before then, it is my intention at that time to actually implement the edit herein proposed.

"The Grand Rascal," Wed., 18-Sep-2019, at 02:26am EDT (-0400 GMT).

The Grand Rascal (talk) 06:27, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ATTENTION!: FURTHER NOTICE is hereby given that my proposed amendment has now been implemented as specified.

This action has been taken by "The Grand Rascal," on Fri., 20-Sep-2019, at 11:59:59pm EDT (-0400 GMT).

The Grand Rascal (talk) 04:06, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]