Talk:Fulton surface-to-air recovery system/Archive 1

Archive 1

Needs work

This article seems to be a more or less verbatim copy of https://www.cia.gov/csi/studies/95unclass/Leary.html, but parts of the original CIA article have been left out. Someone more familar with the copyright issues and plagarism policies of wikipedia needs to review it.

"Once it recovered, it attacked the crew."

That is a actually from the PD source article [1]. A user removed it [2], probably thinking it was vandalism, but it is apparently true.

1952 Manchuria operation

The article implies that the Fulton system was used in the 1952 Manchuria operation, but the Fulton system was not yet operational. title=This CIA page states that the operation would have used STARS's predecessor, the All American System. Djfgregory (talk) 05:11, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Added a title to this section, as it was bothering me that it didn't have one. Elisfkc (talk) 14:01, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

dirigible-shaped balloon

The term "dirigible-shaped balloon" is no clear, since dirigible just states it's another word for balloon. 109.67.203.144 (talk) 07:39, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

7 g acceleration claim

The article seems to claim that a pickup at 130m and 200km/h caused an acceleration of 7 g's, but that is physically impossible. Under these parameters the initial acceleration would be only 2.4g even if the cable was completely inelastic. --Tennenrishin (talk) 10:36, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

On inspection, the citation provided does not make such a claim in the first place. There is mention of 7 g's during a 1943 test of a completely different system with different operating parameters. So I'm removing the incorrect claim from the article. --Tennenrishin (talk) 12:58, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

In popular media

I noticed this (or a system like it) is featured in the film Barely Lethal and the video game Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain — Preceding unsigned comment added by VTNC (talk • contribs) 21:02, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Not just Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain, But the earlier title of "Peace Walker" and "Portable Ops" from the PSP 86.142.53.231 (talk) 21:24, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

We don't just arbitrarily list every game, book, or movie something has been featured of mentioned in. Please read and follow WP:MILPOP guidelines for adding pop culture references. - BilCat (talk) 06:36, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Strange, seeing how WP primarily focuses on popular culture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.253.74.52 (talk) 08:57, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Well, the Fulton device plays a major role in the aforementioned games, and such importance is clear in every major review of both games. It fits the criteria. DeABREU (talk) 00:48, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

I feel that to be in-line with Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Academy/Pop culture and our position on it, you need to have at least one reliable source. For example, I was the one who added The Dark Knight to the popular culture page. I not only cited the movie (twice actually, once when the system was first mentioned and again when it is actually used), but an article about the use of the system in the movie. At the moment, Thunderball and Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain do not have any references about the systems use. I added the Template:Citation Needed to both of them to stress this point. Elisfkc (talk) 13:30, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

194.75.8.152, 86.195.12.218, DeABREU, and VTNC, since the amount of time to fix problems on Wikipedia seems to usually be one week, and I posted the last comment and the Citation needed templates on October 30, I am letting you know that Thunderball and Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain may be deleted on or any time after November 6 if they still do not have a reliable source. Since it was used previously, I'll remind you that another Wikipedia article does not count as a reliable source in this situation. Elisfkc (talk) 18:54, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

• Please note that a source confirming a subject's usage in a given medium is not enough - the source must address the subject's significance, which is something primary usually can't do. Per WP:POPCULTURE#Content:

Although some references may be plainly verified by primary sources, this does not demonstrate the significance of the reference. Furthermore, when the primary source in question only presents the reference, interpretation of this may constitute original research where the reference itself is ambiguous. If a cultural reference is genuinely significant it should be possible to find a reliable secondary source that supports that judgment. Quoting a respected expert attesting to the importance of a subject as a cultural influence is encouraged. Absence of these secondary sources should be seen as a sign of limited significance, not an invitation to draw inference from primary sources. (Emphasis mine.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BilCat (talk • contribs) 15:54, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. Elisfkc (talk) 20:01, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

The presence of the fulton recovery system in Metal Gear Solid 5 is pretty obviously noteworthy, and there are several citeable sources discussing it (e.g. http://warisboring.com/articles/the-true-story-of-metal-gear-solids-fulton-recovery-system/). Looking at the page revision history, it seems like there is an ongoing edit war over this issue. --205.175.229.97 (talk) 23:23, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

So far, no one has provided a reliable source with their edits on the article, as far as I've seen/undone. The only source cited was another wiki. Elisfkc (talk) 23:29, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

I have added a short reference to the game, citing the source that I posted here. --205.175.229.97 (talk) 02:27, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

This system appears at the end of an episode of "The Unit" and its use and functionality in the show are accurate. I think that this deserves a mention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doggonemess (talk • contribs) 13:07, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Have you read this section completely? "If a cultural reference is genuinely significant it should be possible to find a reliable secondary source that supports that judgment." - BilCat (talk) 14:26, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Missionary Pickup system

By flying a small plane in a tight circle, a line can be dropped to the ground, to deliver and pickup items. See:- http://www.1timothy4-13.com/files/facts/helicopter.html 86.168.58.71 (talk) 00:38, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Also Nate Saint and Mission Aviation Fellowship 86.168.58.71 (talk) 00:49, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

http://postalmuseum.si.edu/exhibits/current/airmail-in-america/the-airplanes/stinson-reliant.html 86.168.58.71 (talk) 00:54, 12 January 2016 (UTC)