Talk:Frugivore/Archive 1

Deleted material about homo sapiens as frugivore:

  Homo  sapiens sapiens (modern human). In his article, 
  "Source of  Perfect Nourishment: The Plant Kingdom" (1949) 
  Geoffrey  Hodson quotes the great Swedish naturalist often 
  called the  Father of Taxonomy, Karl von Linne' (Linnaeus) 
  (1707-1778) who  introduced binomial nomenclature - naming 
  plants and  animals according to their physical structure: 
  "Man's  structure, external and internal, compared with 
  that of  other animals shows that fruit and succulent 
  vegetables  constitute his natural food." See: 
  http://www.iol.ie/~creature/BiologicalAdaptations.htm  .

First of all, the long and awkward sentence beginning "In his article..." is plagiarized from an unidentified and uncredited web site which is, in fact, a partisan and polemical pro-vegetarian, anti-meat site. Secondly, the link given at the end is to another such site that, itself, has plagiarized from still another pro-vegetarian, anti-meat polemical site. The presentation of this claim - that humans are "frugivores", by which the author means they "ought" to eat a fruit-based diet - is not supported by any legitimate references. --68.164.235.51 (talk) 17:11, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Restored material about homo sapiens as frugivores

Rewritten for easier reading. The charge of plagiarism is unfounded, as are the personal attacks. Many authorities on anatomy can be quoted, and medical evidence supports the biological evidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.165.183.37 (talk) 00:12, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's not written well at all. It begins with 'Homo sapiens sapiens' - is that supposed to be a heading or something? The page it links to, though I haven't read it all, seems to have an agenda to push, and is not the sort of thing we use for references here (we want primary academic material here). It also seems to be using appeal to nature. You might also want to learn some of the ways of Wikipedia, for example the three revert rule.

As for the Linnaeus quote, he also thought that all life on earth was created by God. Richard001 (talk) 00:51, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Should I somehow link up 'Homo sapiens sapiens ...' to the quote that follows? The page it links to is written by a public educator and published with the author's permission. In addition, there are supporting cites from primary academic research - which I would happily cite here, if that were permissible. Elementary facts are presented regarding human anatomy, biology and physiology in the context of diet, health and origins. I personally wouldn't call this "having an agenda".

Creationism is another subject altogether, and whatever your views on that, it does not detract from Linnaeus' work in the field of Taxonomy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.165.183.37 (talk) 01:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please do as the bot says and sign your posts. Regarding the writing, we are using prose rather than a bullet pointed list so it looks rather arkward. I'm not an authority on the human diet but I think the statement that humans are frugivores would be very controversial scientifically, and I wouldn't be surprised if the page in question was selectively quoting sources so as to present the view of its author. For example I don't see the article mentioning that the common chimpanzee has similar dentition to humans and hunts colobus monkeys for a tasty treat. I'm a vegan myself, by the way (but not a fruitarian). Richard001 (talk) 01:19, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry we got off on the wrong foot, Richard. Patience please. Here's a recent abstract by a current authority on human anatomy:

(Copyright violation removed. Ucucha 01:52, 15 March 2010 (UTC))[reply]

http://www.springerlink.com/content/rr78052089583418/

And regarding our evolutionary diet:

(Copyright violation removed. Ucucha 01:52, 15 March 2010 (UTC)) http://www.annalsnyas.org/cgi/reprint/827/1/382.pdf[reply]

The person who originally removed my contribution has seen these cites. He came across the Frugivore page looking for evidence to support his pro-meat agenda (for real). Best say no more on that score.

Concerning feeding habits of the chimpanzee:

(Copyright violation removed. Ucucha 01:52, 15 March 2010 (UTC)) http://venus.nildram.co.uk/veganmc/polemics.htm[reply]

Pearl999 (talk) 01:50, 20 January 2008 (UTC) Pearl[reply]