Talk:Frock4Life/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 08:07, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Good to see you on the music GANs page, has been a while but here's a review of one of yours by me again! --K. Peake 08:07, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Replace hlist with bullet points per Template:Infobox album
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:35, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• Remove obvious wikilink on studio album
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:35, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• Introduce who the Frock Destroyers are
  • I did! Says they were contestants on the first series of RuPaul's Drag Race UK. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:35, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• Shouldn't it be mentioned that the album was released through Producer Entertainment Group too? If they were only the distribution label on the other hand, then mention this in some form.
  • I'm not sure when PEG was added, but I don't see a source for this label. I've updated the infobox. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:54, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• "The album includes "Break Up Bye Bye"," → "It includes "Break Up Bye Bye","
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:35, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• Remove comma after Blu Hydrangea per British English
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:35, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• Pipe first season to RuPaul's Drag Race UK (series 1)
  • Good call!  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:35, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• Shouldn't you just write US Billboard Hot Dance/Electronic Songs chart instead of mentioning the United States afterwards since you did not write the United Kingdom for the other position?
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:35, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• "and leading to the recording of Frock4Life." → "with it leading to the recording of the album."
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:35, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• ""Her Majesty" and "Big Ben" served as singles for the album," → ""Her Majesty" and "Big Ben" served as singles for Frock4Life in 2020," with the pipe
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:35, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• Remove the critical reception part due to a lack of reviews to back it up, plus shouldn't you replaced this with a mention of the former's music video?

Composition

• Retitle to Background and composition
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:42, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• Remove comma after Blu Hydrangea per my earlier comment
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:42, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• "But this album is truly the intersection of those two things. The goal was to make amazing songs and to really have fun with it. But I treat this project with the same degree of respect and effort that I would if I were writing for Selena Gomez." – Leland discussing the album per ref 2; do not quote this in full because it is too much but part of this belongs in background, using your own words at points
  • I'm not sure anything being said here is particularly relevant or unique. I'd prefer not to include direct quotes from interviews, unless you feel strongly there's something to be added here. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:55, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• "The album has ten tracks, including six songs," → "The album has 10 tracks, including five songs," per MOS:NUM and the source
  • I believe we're supposed to be consistent with the same sentence, so either using numbers or spelling them all out, right? Also, the sources says five new songs because "Break Up Bye Bye" had already been released. This is why I've said six songs total (plus the interludes and the remix). Does this make sense? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:42, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• The number of interludes is not sourced as being three
  • This is simple math, plus the three interludes are numbered as such in the track listing section. I don't see this as a controversial claim. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:42, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• "interludes, and a" → "interludes and a"
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:42, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• "and the album's primary songwriter." → "and Frock4Life's primary songwriter."
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:42, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• "and described "Big Ben" as" → "while he described "Big Ben" as"
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:42, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• "performed by the trio during" → "performed by the Frock Destroyers during"
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:42, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• "on Drag Race in which" → "on Drag Race, in which"
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:42, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• "and has also been" → "with him also being"
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:42, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Release and promotion

• Img looks good!
  • Great! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• "had a three-stop" → "embarked on a three-stop"
  • Yes! Thank you, I knew there was a better word to use here I was just having writer's block the other day.  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• Remove comma after Manchester per British English
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• "recreated the group's performance" → "recreated the trio's performance"
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• You could add some of the trio quotes from where, "The three each opened up about the upcoming record and gave fans a sneak peek at what to expect.", on ref 3
  • I'd prefer not to use quotes from interviews unless there's something particularly interesting or unique to share with readers. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• "on 11 December" → "on 11 December 2020"
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• Pipe single to Single (music)
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• Are you sure that RuPaul's Drag Race is the one being referred to and not the UK edition?
  • I've changed to simply Drag Race. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• "second single in December." → "second single in December 2020."
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Reception

• "and number ten on" → "and number 10 on" per MOS:NUM
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:46, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• "represent the UK" → "represent the United Kingdom"
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:46, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• "and peaked at" → "while it peaked at"
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:46, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• Second para looks good, but are you sure more reviews can't be added?
  • I've struggled to find other reviews about the album as a whole, or even specific songs. But, this does not mean additional claims cannot be added at later date if found, and hopefully the limited reviews does not interfere with GA status in the meantime. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:46, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Track listing

• Add a source to verify this is the track listing
  • I had two there but another editor removed. I've added back. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:48, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

References

• Copyvio score looks slick at 16.0%!!
  • Great! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:52, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• Nice job with the archiving of these!
  • Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:52, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• MOS:CAPS issues with refs 4, 14 and 18
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:52, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• Remove the publisher from ref 7
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:52, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• Fix MOS:QWQ issues with refs 8 and 10
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:52, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• Remove or replace ref 19 per WP:RSP
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:52, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
• Fix MOS:QWQ issues with ref 22 and remove the publisher, plus pipe NewNowNext to Logo TV
  •  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:52, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

External links

• Good
  • Like ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:52, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed. --K. Peake 11:24, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

  Kyle Peake, Thanks! I've address your concerns expect I've held off on adding quotes from interviews (primary sources), unless there's something particularly interesting or unique you think should be added in order for this article to meet GA criteria. --Another Believer _(Talk) 19:00, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

  Another Believer ✓ Pass now after the usual quick response for you; the introduction to the Frock Destroyers in the lead should not be needed due to them being introduced in the body, I have thought properly and deduced that. --K. Peake 19:08, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

  Kyle Peake, Thanks for reviewing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:08, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.