Talk:Friedrich Graf Kleist von Nollendorf

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"Before the August 1919 abolition of nobility as a legal class, titles preceded the full name when given (Graf Helmuth James von Moltke). Since 1919, these titles, along with any nobiliary prefix (von, zu, etc.), can be used, but are regarded as a dependent part of the surname, and thus come after any given names (Helmuth James Graf von Moltke)." Von Kleist died in 1823, so why is the post-1919 convention used for his name? 104.153.40.58 (talk) 17:44, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]