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A fact from Fremantle Fortress appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 10 June 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that during World War II, the Fremantle Fortress protected the second-most important Allied submarine base in the Pacific Theatre?

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The result was: promoted by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 03:05, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that Fremantle Fortress was the name given to the combined coastal defences protecting Fremantle Harbour?~~ Source: Top of Page 3: ... to upgrade and extend the existing coastal defence system for the Port of Fremantle. The combined facilities were known as Fremantle Fortress

Reviewed: Battle of Cape Hermaeum

Created by Calistemon (talk). Self-nominated at 07:55, 4 May 2020 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: New enough and long enough, well-written, neutral and seems free of plagiarism (Earwig stands at 35.1% but that's mostly due to proper nouns like names of the batteries, military units etc). Hook cited and interesting, and QPQ done. Looks good to go to me. Having written a number of articles about the fortifications of Malta myself, I found the article quite interesting - well done! Xwejnusgozo (talk) 09:37, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I came by to promote this, and while the article is interesting, the hook is not. A fortress was named after a harbor? This is not "hooky" enough to reel in readers to click on the link. Please say something catchy about the fortress itself. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 11:48, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yoninah See ALT1 below, based on the Fremantle submarine base article which I expanded after nominating Fremantle Fortress:

ALT1:... that during World War II, the Fremantle Fortress protected the second-most important submarine base in the Pacific Theatre? Source: Fremantle Page 3: Fremantle Fortress and Rottnest Island & Michael Sturma's Fremantle's Submarines, Page 1: .... Fremantle became the most significant Allied submarine base in the Pacific after Pearl Harbor.

Nice. @Xwejnusgozo: would you review this alt please? Yoninah (talk) 19:48, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I had originally approved this on the basis that "fortress" tends to refer to a single fortification rather than a network of fortifications spread out on a relatively large area. However, I agree that the new hook is better, and it seems OK since it's cited, interesting and included in the article. Seems good to go. Xwejnusgozo (talk) 11:35, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Second most important sub base

...after (which one)? The most important sub base in the Pacific should be named or a link to an appropriate list provided. Jehochman ^Talk 11:01, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jehochman See bottom of Background section, where it states ... with it becoming the second-most significant Allied submarine base, after Pearl Harbor. Calistemon (talk) 01:13, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]