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Freedom of Worship (painting) is part of the Four Freedoms series, a featured topic. This is identified as among the best series of articles produced by the Wikipedia community. If you can update or improve it, please do so.

This article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on January 6, 2016.

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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on April 18, 2008. The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that although Norman Rockwell felt Freedom of Speech and Freedom to Worship were the most successful of his Four Freedoms painting series, Freedom from Want has had the most enduring success?
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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Freedom of Worship (painting)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Seabuckthorn (talk · contribs) 13:27, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator: TonyTheTiger(T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD)

Hi! I'll be reviewing this article for GA status, and should have my full review up shortly. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 13:27, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:
Pass

B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
~~See below for issues with lead & layout~~. Done

Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. Has an appropriate reference section:
Pass

B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:
Pass

C. No original research:
Pass
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:
Pass

B. Focused:
Pass
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Pass
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Pass
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:
Pass

B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
Pass
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
~~On hold for the 1b issues~~. Done Pass.

WP:LEAD: Done

Fix Lead (WP:BETTER).
- The opening paragraph should clearly explain the subject so that the reader is prepared for the greater level of detail that follows. I recommend the following revision:
- Freedom to Worship or Freedom of Worship is the second of the four most well-known oil paintings produced by the American artist Norman Rockwell that were based on the four goals called the Four Freedoms enunciated by the President of the United States Franklin D. Roosevelt in his State of the Union Address delivered on January 6, 1941.[1]. This painting was considered as the most successful of the series by Rockwell along with Freedom of Speech. The series also called the Four Freedoms was published in the February 27, 1943 Issue of The Saturday Evening Post alongside an essay by a prominent thinker of the day Will Durant.[2]
  - O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:16, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WP:LAYOUT: Done

Fix short paragraphs (MOS:PARAGRAPHS). Paragraphs should be short enough to be readable, but long enough to develop an idea.
- Fix short paragraphs in Description section.
  - Done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:47, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Fix short paragraphs in Production section.
  - Done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:28, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Fix short paragraphs in Critical review section.
  - Done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:43, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

~~I'm putting the article on hold. All the best!~~ --Seabuckthorn ♥ 02:51, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK, everything looks good now. Passing the article to GA status. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 03:52, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Possible bad link

The section "Critical review" says:

Laura Claridge has written that the inspirational phrase "Each according to the dictates of his own conscience" is a "platitude that suggests the plurality of Rockwell's own thoughts on religion: its likely source was a phrase included in the Thirteen Articles of Faith by Joseph Smith."[20] In fact, Rockwell repeatedly asked colleagues about possible sources of the quote and was not told about Smith's writing until after the series was published.[24]

The phrase "Thirteen Articles of Faith" currently links to the article "Jewish principles of faith" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_principles_of_faith , while the name "Joseph Smith" links to the founder of the Mormon religion.

I suspect that we need to make "Thirteen Articles of Faith" link to a different article.

-179.210.2.157 (talk) 05:35, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Intolerance

Towards the end the article says "Critical review of the painting shows that some practitioners of particular faiths are disappointed by the acceptance of all faiths expressed in Freedom of Religion." Can this be clarified? It sounds like it's saying some people disapprove of the notion of religious tolerance, which seems controversial enough for further explanation. Brutannica (talk) 17:53, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Questions from a guy from germany

Hi, I'm just curious if anybody would agree that the guy above the woman with the rosary beads in the painting (the one that's holding his right hand to the chin) may represent an atheist? To me he looks as if he's in doubt to worship any kind of god. Besides that: where is the black person in the barbershop-painting? Can't find him. Thanks and regards from germany Prof.fink (talk) 16:08, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Muslim Representation

In looking at this extraordinary painting, I felt without doubt that the bottom right man with hat, somewhat darker, was Muslim. And I have seen other's say this for example Eboo Patel on NPR: "In my office hangs Norman Rockwell's illustration Freedom of Worship. A Muslim holding a Quran in his hands stands near a Catholic woman fingering her rosary." But this article states "three figures on the bottom row (right to left): a man with his head covered carrying a religious book who is Jewish..." Can a case be made for either? I thought the type of hat shown is more typical among Muslims, but would appreciate comments. Thanks. WindingRoad (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:09, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]