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"Drumpf" never existed
Baptism certificate: [1] --Goetzmertz (talk) 21:30, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Other listeners, do you believe this to be accurate? I'm not sure I do, because a number of sources refer to him as Drumpf. pbp 02:44, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
- This may be an accurate record, enough of the information matches up to be quite likely. But I'd want to see the image scan of the actual record, which is not available except on microfilm. It is original research in any event. It is not sufficient to overrule the "Drumpf" information; German script can be hard to decipher.--Milowent • hasspoken 20:49, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
- There is also the Crolly article that names him as Trump.--Jack Upland (talk) 23:33, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
- @Jack Upland: At what point in his life, though? pbp 23:40, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- There is also the Crolly article that names him as Trump.--Jack Upland (talk) 23:33, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
- This may be an accurate record, enough of the information matches up to be quite likely. But I'd want to see the image scan of the actual record, which is not available except on microfilm. It is original research in any event. It is not sufficient to overrule the "Drumpf" information; German script can be hard to decipher.--Milowent • hasspoken 20:49, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
- "Nein, Opa Friedrich war 1885 aus Deutschland ausgewandert. Und er hieß auch schon immer Trump, nie Drumpf, auch wenn sich diese Falschinformation hartnäckig hält." No, Grandpa Friedrich emigrated from Germany in 1885. And he was always called Trump, never Drumpf, though this misinformation persists.--Jack Upland (talk) 00:40, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- It is so funny. This is the result if you search "Drumpf" in the telephone book Das Telefonbuch: search "Drumpf". Search result: "Wir konnten zu Ihrer Eingabe keine Einträge finden" translated "No entries for your input" --Goetzmertz (talk) 20:11, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- I am willing to concede that it is likely he was born a Trump, and as such, @Goetzmertz:, you will have no further argument from me if you make changes to that effect at this page, at Donald Trump, or at pages related to them. pbp 20:59, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- It is so funny. This is the result if you search "Drumpf" in the telephone book Das Telefonbuch: search "Drumpf". Search result: "Wir konnten zu Ihrer Eingabe keine Einträge finden" translated "No entries for your input" --Goetzmertz (talk) 20:11, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- "Nein, Opa Friedrich war 1885 aus Deutschland ausgewandert. Und er hieß auch schon immer Trump, nie Drumpf, auch wenn sich diese Falschinformation hartnäckig hält." No, Grandpa Friedrich emigrated from Germany in 1885. And he was always called Trump, never Drumpf, though this misinformation persists.--Jack Upland (talk) 00:40, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
- The family name changed from Drumpf to Trump between 1648 and 1700 according to The Trumps: Three Generations that Built an Empire, already cited by the article. This man was born much later and is therefore unlikely to have ever been known as Drumpf. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.0.151.9 (talk) 22:43, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
- Actually it was sometime in mid 1640's -or during the course of Germany's Thirty Years' War that ended in 1648, according to that source. So Friedrich, born in 1869 would never have used Drumpf, nor his father Christian Johannes as the spelling change would have happened nearly 200 years before his time even! 1305cj (talk) 14:00, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- The article should still note the error because it is prevalent.--Jack Upland (talk) 23:25, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
- I still think the error should be noted somewhere in the article. Didn't Donald Trump claim it was Drumpf himself? Does anyone have a source?--Jack Upland (talk) 00:17, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- Knock off the childish zeal to modify the article just because the translation of the word provides a chuckle. Just because you hate Trump and watch "IT'S CURRENT YEAR" Oliver last night doesn't mean to need to go modifying article of people you politically dislike. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:8B09:7E00:A101:662B:79BC:1492 (talk) 16:47, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Only the facts are relevant. IF the name changed centuries ago, fine. I had read it was relatively recent, so I would like to know the facts. It also concerns me IF there is a possibility that history is being rewritten. 'Drumpf' is no more humorous than 'Trump'. Lets just have the truth of it please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.255.137.236 (talk) 08:06, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
According to Bavarian "intelligence papers" of 1840, the Trump last name was spelled this way for Trump's father Johannes Trump and Trump's aunt, Charlotte Trump: https://books.google.ca/books?id=efZEAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA141&dq=der+trump&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=trump&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.96.180.245 (talk) 20:04, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Was "Rooms for Ladies" really a common euphemism for prostitution in the late 1800s?
The phrase seems to have had other meanings.
From the, “Seventh Annual Report of the Board of Railroad Commissioners of the State of New York, For the Fiscal Year Ending September 30, 1889 – Volume 1”:
Page 197-198. “At Johnstown and Gloversville new brick depots of fine design and construction have been erected. They are each 150 feet long and about thirty five feet wide. They have a covered platform 225 feet long in front and a neat carriage canopy in the rear. The entire interior is finished in native woods, hightly polished. Steam-heating, water-closets, lavatory and private rooms for ladies are all provided.”
It only took a few minutes to find these facts online.96.52.194.112 (talk) 22:07, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, they were called Raines Law hotels. I'll find more sources. Bearian (talk) 22:24, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
The allegation by Gwenda Blair was effectively refuted by Seattle historian Robert Ketcherside.RichardBond (talk) 15:44, 22 July 2018 (UTC)