Talk:Frederick Seymour

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Dysentery or Alcoholism

I've read several accounts of Seymour's death. Dehydration by dysentery was the medical outcome, but most histories point to his chronic alcoholism. I'll compile some quotes of these accounts later and we'll see what we can stitch together from them. Somewhere in my readings, maybe in the Akriggs but I can't remember, I remarked upon the reality that the day-to-day government of the colony was administered by Birch, Seymour's secretary; Seymour went abroad (UK I think) for 18 months during his tenure; Birch ran the show, which as the historian I was reading pointed out was probably a good thing because, other than being a very courtly gentleman, Seymour was ill-suited to the job and not a leader or any kind; and his alcoholism was more of a liability than anything else.....dying of dehydration at Bella Coola seems somehow ironic, given all the rainfall there (water, water everywhere, and not a drop to drink). Could be that the old guy just needed a mickey and he would have made it back to Victoria just fine.....Skookum1 22:36, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I had not heard that. I gather from the accounts that Seymour didn't really have the stomach for the job, and performed his duties either sloppily, poorly, or lazily. I hadn't considered "drunkenly" as an option. I think he probably found the BC colonists considerably less pliable and more demanding than the plantation owners of the British West Indies. I also thought dying in Bella Coola was ironic - one of BC's last colonial governors dying in the spot where the first major expedition opening up the country reached its climax almost 80 years earlier. Fishhead64 04:55, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dead in photo?

Also heard somewhere that the guy was already dead when that photo of him was taken, (they hadn't got an official photo by the time he died, apparently). Will have to re-research that before adding mention of such rumour.--Keefer4 08:43, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If so, he's very carefully posed. Another version of the same photo has him holding a book. I'm not sure wheteher two photos were taken, or whether there was some primitive photoshopping involved. Fishhead64 16:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Information Needed

This article is a good starting point, but all of the information on the page is lacking a proper citation. Certain aspects of the article offer great detail while other areas have large gaps. Alexandramurphy (talk) 21:51, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Article Critique

This article is a good starting point, although needs much more information and citations to support the research. The following topics could be used within this article:

- Fredrick Seymour's relationship with the B.C Indigenous populations. - The surrounding BC political topics in this time. - More dates - More detail in topics such as involvement in the school system - Information on his early years.

A possible bibliography could be made for the following topics:

Barman, Jean and Mona Lee Gleason. Children, Teachers and Schools in the History of British Columbia. Detselig Enterprises, 2003.

Begg, Alexander. History of British Columbia From its Earliest Discovery to the Present Time. McGraw-Hill Ryerson, 1972.

Blake, Lynn A. "Pastoral Power, Governmentality and Cultures of Order in Nineteenth-Century British Columbia." Transactions of the Institute of British Geographers24, no. 1 (1999): 79-93.

Carleton, Sean. 2017. "Settler Anxiety and State Support for Missionary Schooling in Colonial British Columbia, 1849 –1871." Historical Studies in Education / Revued'Histoire De l'Éducation.

Downs, Art. The law and the lawless : frontier justice in British Columbia and Yukon,1858-1911. Toronto: Heritage House Publishing Co. 2014.

Fisher, Robin. "Indian Warfare and Two Frontiers: A Comparison of British Columbia and Washington Territory during the Early Years of Settlement." Pacific Historical Review 50, no. 1 (1981): 31-51.

Fisher, Robin. "Joseph Trutch and Indian Land Policy." BC Studies: The British Columbian Quarterly. Published Winter 1972.

Gough, Barry M. ""Turbulent Frontiers" and British Expansion: Governor James Douglas, the Royal Navy, and the British Columbia Gold Rushes." Pacific Historical Review 41, no. 1 (1972): 15-32.

Harvey, Megan. "Story People: Sto:lo- State Relations and Indigenous Litercies in British Columbia, 1864-1874." Journal of the Canadian Historical Association, vol. 24, no. 1, 2013, p.51.

Haworth, Kent M., and Charles Maier. "'Not a Matter of Regret': Granville's Response to Seymour's Death." BC Studies: The British Columbian Quarterly.

Hewlett, Edward Sleigh. 1973. "The Chilcotin Uprising of 1864." BC Studies 19, 50-72. Ormsby, Margaret A. "Frederick Seymour, The Forgotten Governor.” BC Studies 22(1974): 3-25.

Rothenburger, Mel. The Chilcotin War. New England: Mr. Paperback. 1978. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanaesimons (talk • contribs) 01:09, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Peer Review (Brett Peters)

This article on Fredrick Seymour is very detailed in regards to his life prior to living in British Columbia, and his family relations. However there are many grammatical and sentence structure issues within the article. For example, here is a qoute from the article " Seymour continued his predecessor's initiative of building wagon roads into the gold mining districts of the Cariboo, and quickly responded to the attack by Tsilhqot'in warriors on the rest of a road party they had been persuaded to join, in which a party of road workers at up the Homathko River beyond the head of Bute Inlet". Clearly this sentence structure is poor and needs to be re-written as it is very hard to understand. The article lacks information on Seymour's life in British Columbia and the disputes which occurred during his time as governor of British Columbia. There is no biases in this article and with more information on Seymour and editing of sentence structure, the article could be improved. The sources used are academic in nature but there could be more sources referenced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brettpeters1993 (talk • contribs) 00:30, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]