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What is the rationale for adding middle names? We typically only do that when either a person is invariably known by the longer form (which the links to here show is not the case), or to disambiguate, which isn't necessary here. Stan 06:40, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. He is commonly known as Frederick Lugard. All those middle names do not need to be in the title. Page moved from Frederick John Dealtry Lugard to Frederick Lugard.--Ezeu 02:04, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This biography does seem 100% positive in every way; surely he had some critics... Johncmullen1960 (talk) 05:47, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mercenary

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Lugard was a mercenary. Let's not whitewash history. His post -military career saw him take up mercenary roles in Nigeria and elsewhere, the body of the article further supports this.Akinsope (talk) 13:26, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

He was also effectively a mercenary in the Karonga War in what is now Malawi, acting for a British company fighting Swahili rivals.Sscoulsdon (talk) 05:59, 25 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well, context matters: He was encouraged to engage in the conflict by the British Consul who desired his military expertise. He was fighting Slavers and tasked with the the protection of the local people and mission stations. He was also a member of the Indian Army at the time. On the basis of all the above he was given the implicit blessing of the British Government to undertake this role. 2001:8003:70F5:2400:BDA0:5022:CBD:2B0C (talk) 15:17, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did he say this also?

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Lord Frederick John Lugard: He lacks the power of organization, and is conspicuously deficient in the management and control alike of men or business. He loves the display of power, but fails to realize its responsibility... He has the courage of the fighting animal, an instinct rather than a moral virtue... In brief, the virtues and defects of this race-type are those of attractive children, whose confidence when it is won is given ungrudgingly as to an older and wiser superior and without envy...perhaps the two traits which have impressed me as those most characteristic of the African native are his lack of apprehension and his lack of ability to visualize the future --Inayity (talk) 13:53, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If he did, the question is whether it stems from entrenched racial animus (of which there is little evidence, Lugard was a blood-brother to numerous black Africans) or being legitimate observations from his experiences in Africa at that time (which are quite broad). In so far as critiques of black African people go in that period I have heard far worse from some notable black Pan-Africans (e.g. Alexander Crummell referred to indigenous Liberians as being worth only 1/4 of a person and would eventually conclude that colonisation was necessary)! 2001:8003:70F5:2400:2C40:CDAD:EE42:4D32 (talk) 00:28, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

image c1908 suggests also vice-admiral

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— billinghurst sDrewth 05:29, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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