Talk:Frederick Holder

Political affiliation

Does anyone know when Holder changed from the Free Trade Party to independent? Timeshift (talk) 02:15, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

I found this which is bizarre, it says "the very first Commonwealth Government elected in 1901 was a minority government formed by the Protectionist Party and its first Speaker was Sir Frederick Holder of the Free Trade Party in Opposition. As Speaker, Frederick Holder changed parties after that to become a Protectionist MP under an Australian Labor Party Government and then an Anti-Socialist Party MP under successive Free Trade-Protectionist Coalition, Labor Party and Fusion Party governments, before dying as Speaker in 1909." Surely there is an official record of his affiliations somewhere? Timeshift (talk) 02:23, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

A more official record like this, the best i've found so far:

While there was no other candidate, the argumentative nature of the House was apparent from the beginning. One Member bemoaned the fact that as a free-trader Mr Holder was needed on the floor of the House. The then Member for Parkes was outraged that a letter had been circulated urging Members to support Mr Holder—a practice disappointing to those who “expected to see realized the higher and rarer atmosphere of which so much has been said in the various States” and one which they “may feel sure … would have been deprecated in the old country”. Together with the first President of the Senate, he had to adapt the procedures of the Parliament at Westminster, already adapted to some extent by the various colonial legislatures, to the needs of a federal parliament. Not surprisingly, the first standing orders of the House owed much to the House of Commons via the South Australian House of Assembly. The first Speaker was well respected by Members. In the second parliament he stood as an Independent for the new seat of Wakefield (also in South Australia) and was successful in the elections of 1903 and 1906. On each occasion he was re-elected unopposed. He played no part in party politics and aspired to the model of the impartial Westminister-style Speaker. While party politics was less structured at the time the tradition of vigorous–bordering–on–ferocious debates established in the colonial legislatures continued in the new federal parliament.

Fascinating :) But I still feel it is too ambiguous to categorically say that Holder was a free-trader until 1903. Timeshift (talk) 02:39, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

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